Do teachers get paid for running revision sessions in the school holiday?

[rosemarble]

As the subject says.....just wondering.
Obviously I hope they do, but you hear so much about teachers working so much during school holidays that I wonder where the line is.

While I'm here, thanks to the teachers who are running them; DS2 really benefits.

Many years ago our school offered TOIL for revision sessions. So you could do 2 mornings and get a full term time day off. I know a colleague who did 4 sessions and got 2 days TOIL which she took to attend a family wedding. The head covered the class for the TOIL so no need to use supply. Nowadays, I know barely any teachers that get paid or TOIL for running revisions sessions and it's almost all compulsory.

Some schools do offer paid overtime and if teachers choose to take this then fair enough. For those teachers saying they have to do extra unpaid, you absolutely do not and should not. If you feel pressured to do so, contact your union otherwise say NO! By martyring yourself, you will get no thanks and do no favours to the teaching profession.

I imagine some.do,.but never in any institution I've worked for!!

What has been the union's response to this threat?

Extra sessions, taught unpaid, only become the norm if teachers agree to it. Say no.

I'm a teacher and no way would I be going into school to teach during my Easter holidays, we work enough unpaid overtime during term time.

Not when I was last teaching (ca 2016). I doubt it's changed. We were expected to do lunchtime intervention, afterschool exam prep and holiday prep on top of everything else for free. Was standard for the area so just moving schools wasn't a solution, before anyone suggests that.

No revision sessions at ds2's school, who is sitting , over Easter. I wish they did.

When I was a primary head a couple of years ago, the Y6 teacher and TA did four mornings of Sats revision in the Easter holidays in exchange for 2 days of TOIL once the Sats were over. They were both happy to do it; the teacher used it to go to Glastonbury while I covered her class, and the parents were always really pleased and the kids looked forward to it as they were made to feel special, in school without the younger ones. It seemed to work.
To those teachers feeling forced to do it for nothing, why don’t you try to negotiate something like that? We teachers give up so much of our time - and money - because we know schools don’t have enough, but there are ways to compensate each other without hitting the school budget.

It should be paid. I'm not going to dispute that

I don't work in teaching but a somewhat similar line of work where paid overtime is completely unheard of. For example, if I work at a weekend I won't be paid for it but will get a day off during the week instead (time off in lieu/TOIL).

My friend who is a teacher doing Easter school next week, will be given the time back during the S4 and S5 exam leave. Given that teachers in Scotland (who have been teaching for 5yrs or more) are on £50k, I don't think it's an entirely unreasonable ask, but they should be able to refuse. Most people in high salary jobs occasionally have to do a bit extra here and there. But working through holidays should not be routinely expected.

@Newmumhere40well that’s weird because neither I or DH have ever worked in a school that didn’t pay (six secondary schools between us). All in London boroughs though, maybe that makes a difference?

I will get loads of gained time as I am the only A Level teacher for my subject and I have two year 11 groups. I doubt I will keep all of it, but I tend to think of it as a bit of compensation for the hideous amount of speaking exams I have to conduct and all the mock exam marking. I am hoping to use that time to revamp the curriculum, but if they take it all away I won't be giving up all my summer to do it instead!

Of course they do

Teachers love to moan about how over worker they are when realistically they work less than the average worker for more than the going rate for part time hours and then get approved over time for revision

I work in the public sector and overtime pay is rarer than unicorn shit

Part-time hours? As a HoD in a school in a deprived area, I tend to work around 60 hours a week in term time. See the above post describing the amount of marking I have to do during mock exams, for instance. I can't just rock up the Tuesday we get back with no lessons planned, so that will be done in the holiday, along with the paperwork that the Trust wants. I wasn't aware that was classed as part-time. I do earn a reasonable salary, but nothing like what some of the MNetters earn in their magic circle jobs etc.
I actually love my job, but I was away on a school trip which finished during the holidays, so that's enough extra for me.

@BotanybabyHave you even bothered to read the responses here?? No…of course you haven’t 🤦‍♀️

Omg yes, we’ve had similar. Students being off on holiday and then parents offer that they “catch up for me at lunchtimes”, not realising that I need to eat, nor that the catch up isn’t for me. I don’t need the work done, it’s not for my benefit.

My school are paying £30 an hour for the 2 hour session I’m running
By the time I’ve paid childcare costs for the day and diesel (and after tax etc) I won’t make any money, but I won’t be out of pocket.

Stop being a martyr to the job. Nobody should work for free. The more people agree to, the worse it is for everyone. It is a job. Be good enough. Nothing more.

Why not retrain as a teacher then?

The union response is to only do the sessions if you get paid, unfortunately for the rest, its a case by case basis, and often the teacher doesn't know/see what is happening until its too late.

Possibly yes. Inner London has more money to spend.

In 2021/22, education spending per pupil at schools in England was highest in Inner London, with approximately 8,860 British pounds spent per pupil in this area. By contrast, pupils in the East of England had an expenditure per head of 6,049 pounds, which was the lowest in this academic year. Source here.

I asked my son about this today and he told me the teachers have told them (many times in some cases) that they are not being paid.
It’s an Academy if that makes a difference.

Not at my school, no we don’t. We are not required to run them though.

That's not true re teachers on the leadership scale, the entitlement is the same as all teachers.

I work in a state secondary school and they do pay and used to put loads of sessions on a few years ago but they don’t want us to run the sessions anymore as they can’t afford to pay! So basically it’s personal choice. If you want to run a session you can but you won’t be getting paid. I’m sorry people are working in schools and feel forced to do so.

No. Not anymore. We used to get paid but have been that there is no money for it this year. I haven’t done it the last few years. I would have to put my child into a holiday club in order to run it. Plus the last time I did do it, the students were rude as they’d don’t want to be there. Didn’t want to work. So I decided that it wasn’t worth the hours of planning for little to no pay. Definitely not doing it for free!