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VAT and removal of 50% cap on scholarships

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lovepenguin · 29/05/2024 11:37

I'm not in favour of Labour's policy on adding VAT to private schools. However I do wonder whether the private schools no longer have to adhere to the 50% cap on scholarships from the charity commission, if they lose the charity status. Will scholarships be more generous?

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northernerinthesouth2000 · 01/06/2024 21:02

Hatty999 · 01/06/2024 20:51

So Starmer now stating he is supporting building wealth. Of course all the numpties out there, so so jealous of wealth, want vat added, how dare they have anything, they want money. You see, all of it is about money. Wanting money. But… did they think of that when they were making their choices. Choices to work hard at school, choices how to parent, choices in jobs, whether to bother getting up? But don’t worry, vote Starmer, he’ll make you instantly rich- so he says

What about the children who have crap parents who don't support them at school, what about the children who did not chose to go to a crap school, there is very little choice when it comes to schools etc. You are in denial to think this is about envy of wealth - it's about fairness and stopping people from being selfish. Almost a quarter of all household wealth in the UK is held by the richest 1% of the population - something needs to change.

It looks like Starmer is going to win so regardless of what you think looks like the VAT on fees will be happening.

newmummycwharf1 · 01/06/2024 21:28

northernerinthesouth2000 · 01/06/2024 21:02

What about the children who have crap parents who don't support them at school, what about the children who did not chose to go to a crap school, there is very little choice when it comes to schools etc. You are in denial to think this is about envy of wealth - it's about fairness and stopping people from being selfish. Almost a quarter of all household wealth in the UK is held by the richest 1% of the population - something needs to change.

It looks like Starmer is going to win so regardless of what you think looks like the VAT on fees will be happening.

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VAT should happen - that is a policy point. Tick
But from speaking to tonnes of parents, what they want is improved education for their children. So the next government will have to do more, much more than VAT and I really believe if we really want equity in outcomes - we should all be campaigning to contribute more.
For many of us - the VAT makes little or no difference to our kids outcomes. So if it is about equity and improved experience for all - let's start having those conversations

newmummycwharf1 · 01/06/2024 21:31

northernerinthesouth2000 · 01/06/2024 21:02

What about the children who have crap parents who don't support them at school, what about the children who did not chose to go to a crap school, there is very little choice when it comes to schools etc. You are in denial to think this is about envy of wealth - it's about fairness and stopping people from being selfish. Almost a quarter of all household wealth in the UK is held by the richest 1% of the population - something needs to change.

It looks like Starmer is going to win so regardless of what you think looks like the VAT on fees will be happening.

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Because no government in the UK is going to function by getting rid of the wealthy - how will they run the country? They have to grow the economy and if they don't, it will be a terrible time ahead and more so for those with less

northernerinthesouth2000 · 01/06/2024 21:32

newmummycwharf1 · 01/06/2024 21:31

Because no government in the UK is going to function by getting rid of the wealthy - how will they run the country? They have to grow the economy and if they don't, it will be a terrible time ahead and more so for those with less

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I'm not talking about getting rid of the wealthy...just making them pay their fair share, which many do not in my opinion.

Another76543 · 01/06/2024 21:34

northernerinthesouth2000 · 01/06/2024 21:32

I'm not talking about getting rid of the wealthy...just making them pay their fair share, which many do not in my opinion.

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The top 10% of taxpayers paid 60% of all income tax in 2023–24. There comes a tipping point where other countries start to look more appealing to those contributing the most financially.

northernerinthesouth2000 · 01/06/2024 21:37

newmummycwharf1 · 01/06/2024 21:28

VAT should happen - that is a policy point. Tick
But from speaking to tonnes of parents, what they want is improved education for their children. So the next government will have to do more, much more than VAT and I really believe if we really want equity in outcomes - we should all be campaigning to contribute more.
For many of us - the VAT makes little or no difference to our kids outcomes. So if it is about equity and improved experience for all - let's start having those conversations

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Yes I agree. We need to discuss this more but action needs to be as fast as possible, as children are suffering with an inadequate education. Sadly, it seems people look out for their own interests in politics rather than getting stuff done it seems - and that comment is not aimed at any one political party, as it seems they have all been guilty of that on occasion!

northernerinthesouth2000 · 01/06/2024 21:46

Another76543 · 01/06/2024 21:34

The top 10% of taxpayers paid 60% of all income tax in 2023–24. There comes a tipping point where other countries start to look more appealing to those contributing the most financially.

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This is the pattern in most countries so I don't see people leaving the UK. Other taxes should and could be explored more needs to be done so those with the most wealth pay more.

Hatty999 · 01/06/2024 21:50

northernerinthesouth2000 · 01/06/2024 21:02

What about the children who have crap parents who don't support them at school, what about the children who did not chose to go to a crap school, there is very little choice when it comes to schools etc. You are in denial to think this is about envy of wealth - it's about fairness and stopping people from being selfish. Almost a quarter of all household wealth in the UK is held by the richest 1% of the population - something needs to change.

It looks like Starmer is going to win so regardless of what you think looks like the VAT on fees will be happening.

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So you believe schools are not helping them currently? I honestly don’t understand what you think the extra £5 per head will do? Parents who are crap, kids who don’t get it (tons of those thanks to a curriculum that is too hard now and too full) so you think a bit of vat will solve this? Are you for real?

newmummycwharf1 · 01/06/2024 21:50

northernerinthesouth2000 · 01/06/2024 21:32

I'm not talking about getting rid of the wealthy...just making them pay their fair share, which many do not in my opinion.

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Fair share is relative. I would say over 50% in tax is more than fair if on PAYE. Self employed/company directors employ people, create jobs, take more risk - and are needed to grow the economy so one needs to incentivise them. Otherwise, the rest of us that simply show up to work and do our jobs and get paid - can get up and go and take the risks they take. I know I'm not keen!
And then there are able-bodied people not working - what is their fair share? Granted - many in those scenarios have multiple social determinants contributing there. Another reason why we all have to contribute to lift everybody up so all benefit. No one is coming to save us - no point looking for the so-called rich to come and do it. Won't happen and other countries know this hence changing policy to attract them over

ThursdayTomorrow · 01/06/2024 23:01

Hatty999 · 30/05/2024 21:11

That is just one example and thousands of others would never be like that. The only judging appears to come from people with a chip on their shoulder saying those who have more than them look down on them. It is nonsense.

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The judging is definitely not only coming from state school parents towards private school parents. It ABSOLUTELY happens the other way round (private schools families judging state school families). I have heard private school parents slagging off state schools and their pupils and parents many many times. Definitely NOT nonsense.

Hatty999 · 02/06/2024 08:22

ThursdayTomorrow · 01/06/2024 23:01

The judging is definitely not only coming from state school parents towards private school parents. It ABSOLUTELY happens the other way round (private schools families judging state school families). I have heard private school parents slagging off state schools and their pupils and parents many many times. Definitely NOT nonsense.

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Slagging them off for what?

user149799568 · 03/06/2024 10:27

Begsthequestion · 31/05/2024 18:04

I do wonder how many would-be private school kids will now fail at state school, without all that extra help and support that private schools provide.

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None for purely academic reasons. Parents who would have been able to afford private school tuition will be able to afford tutors. And they will find that one-on-one tutoring supplementing a state school is actually much more cost effective in terms of achieving academic outcomes.

However, DC with SEN may have difficulties at state schools for other reasons.

user149799568 · 03/06/2024 10:28

Begsthequestion · 01/06/2024 17:29

Wasn't a thing in mine.

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Cough (bullsh*t). Dream on!

twistyizzy · 03/06/2024 14:04

newmummycwharf1 · 01/06/2024 21:28

VAT should happen - that is a policy point. Tick
But from speaking to tonnes of parents, what they want is improved education for their children. So the next government will have to do more, much more than VAT and I really believe if we really want equity in outcomes - we should all be campaigning to contribute more.
For many of us - the VAT makes little or no difference to our kids outcomes. So if it is about equity and improved experience for all - let's start having those conversations

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https://www.theguardian.com/education/article/2024/jun/03/society-is-unequal-but-this-is-regressive-parents-on-private-school-fee-vat-plans-labour

‘Society is unequal but this is regressive’: parents on private school fee VAT plans

People who want to vote Labour say they cannot because 20% tax proposal will be bad for their children

https://www.theguardian.com/education/article/2024/jun/03/society-is-unequal-but-this-is-regressive-parents-on-private-school-fee-vat-plans-labour

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