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Confiscated phone…unreasonable or not?

177 replies

Fruitflylady · 12/09/2023 11:17

Just had an email from DS’s school to say he’s had his phone confiscated, and that they’re keeping it until Friday!
They introduced this new sanction this term, so it’s my first experience with it. He’s never had his phone confiscated before, and I don’t know why it’s happened now as I can’t get through to the school to ask.
I’m happy to accept he’s made a mistake in using it when he shouldn’t have, and fair enough that they confiscate it for the day, but it seems out of order for them to keep it for the rest of the week. We use it to keep track of where he is when he’s walking home, and he can call to ask for help when he needs it.
How would everyone else approach this situation?

OP posts:
BIWI · 13/09/2023 13:01

All these excuses about why a child has to have their phone!

It's like drunk drivers arguing that they shouldn't be banned because they need their cars for work.

If they need the car phone that much, then they shouldn't abuse the system. It's not rocket science.

CurlewKate · 13/09/2023 13:06

@Iwasafool
"I don't understand all the magic safety a mobile phone gives a child who is going home from school in broad daylight."

Me neither.

Bottlerecycle · 13/09/2023 13:07

It's like drunk drivers arguing that they shouldn't be banned because they need their cars for work.

well, not quite like that!

CurlewKate · 13/09/2023 13:16

Obviously the blood sugar monitor has to be an exception!

Iwasafool · 13/09/2023 13:21

CurlewKate · 13/09/2023 13:06

@Iwasafool
"I don't understand all the magic safety a mobile phone gives a child who is going home from school in broad daylight."

Me neither.

Glad it's not just me, I thought maybe I'm too old to understand the safety properties of a mobile phone.

Needmorelego · 13/09/2023 14:01

This is the thing. Most people's phones are not just a phone. They can be used for medical reasons like the insulin pump mentioned above. It's where people's electronic travel cards and payment cards are kept. It's used for internet access - needed for homework and messages from the school.
They are basically a little tiny computer. Actual phone calls are often the last thing they are used for.
The phone belonging to the OPs son was apparently accidentally left on and it rang. Wasn't even a real phone call (she said it was a junk call). This happens in many situations - in the middle of court trials, in the middle of funerals, in the middle of meetings. It's an error. You apologise, switch the phone off and carry on.
He wasn't pissing around with his phone. If he had been then it should be confiscated until the end of the lesson/day.
If a child constantly has to have their phone confiscated then there should be other punishments added on - detention or whatever.

Iwasafool · 13/09/2023 16:25

Needmorelego · 13/09/2023 14:01

This is the thing. Most people's phones are not just a phone. They can be used for medical reasons like the insulin pump mentioned above. It's where people's electronic travel cards and payment cards are kept. It's used for internet access - needed for homework and messages from the school.
They are basically a little tiny computer. Actual phone calls are often the last thing they are used for.
The phone belonging to the OPs son was apparently accidentally left on and it rang. Wasn't even a real phone call (she said it was a junk call). This happens in many situations - in the middle of court trials, in the middle of funerals, in the middle of meetings. It's an error. You apologise, switch the phone off and carry on.
He wasn't pissing around with his phone. If he had been then it should be confiscated until the end of the lesson/day.
If a child constantly has to have their phone confiscated then there should be other punishments added on - detention or whatever.

All good reasons to make sure you don't get your phone confiscated.

StephanieSuperpowers · 13/09/2023 16:37

Indeed. Getting your phone confiscated in school is not an act of god. It's an entirely predictable consequence of your own actions.

Needmorelego · 13/09/2023 16:48

@Iwasafool @StephanieSuperpowers but it seems this was a genuine error. It was still switched on and it rang. The lad wasn't playing with it or texting when he shouldn't have been. He most likely didn't have his phone "out". It just rang. There's been times I thought my phone was switched off and it wasn't.
This should have been a "Oops sorry miss, I'll switch it off" moment.

smartiesneberhadtheanswer · 13/09/2023 16:51

No they cannot do this, they have no legal right. Explain that unless they return it you will consider it theft.

So done with schools exceeding their authority

FluffyUnicorn84 · 13/09/2023 16:54

TaylorsSwimShorts · 12/09/2023 13:22

You’d have a field day if you knew some of the rules I don’t allow school to impose on my children 🤣

I hold no strong opinions on this thread but this sounds interesting- tell us more

StephanieSuperpowers · 13/09/2023 17:18

Needmorelego · 13/09/2023 16:48

@Iwasafool @StephanieSuperpowers but it seems this was a genuine error. It was still switched on and it rang. The lad wasn't playing with it or texting when he shouldn't have been. He most likely didn't have his phone "out". It just rang. There's been times I thought my phone was switched off and it wasn't.
This should have been a "Oops sorry miss, I'll switch it off" moment.

Generally, I might have some sympathy with this, until 30 phones are "accidentally" getting calls every class from unknown numbers. Which will definitely happen if there is any leeway at all, because that's teenagers.

goldfootball · 13/09/2023 17:57

this Suggests they do.

Confiscated phone…unreasonable or not?
goldfootball · 13/09/2023 17:58

Above was to @smartiesneberhadtheanswer! it doesn’t seem to want to quite the post.

Jennalong · 13/09/2023 17:59

If used at a time when not allowed - thems the rules !

Iwasafool · 13/09/2023 18:07

Needmorelego · 13/09/2023 16:48

@Iwasafool @StephanieSuperpowers but it seems this was a genuine error. It was still switched on and it rang. The lad wasn't playing with it or texting when he shouldn't have been. He most likely didn't have his phone "out". It just rang. There's been times I thought my phone was switched off and it wasn't.
This should have been a "Oops sorry miss, I'll switch it off" moment.

I think that seems really reasonable if you aren't a teacher in a secondary school teaching maybe 180 kids in a day. Has the teacher got time to go into who made a real mistake, who was using their phone in school when they shouldn't and who had a good excuse. Imagine being the teacher who says OK to the OPs son and then another phone goes off and another and another. Where do they draw the line?

I've never been a teacher but I really think that could be a little time consuming and probably very irritating. It is hard on the genuine case but I do think it is understandable.

smartiesneberhadtheanswer · 13/09/2023 18:20

@goldfootball

Confiscate does mean retain for a week

They are over stepping. Massively

smartiesneberhadtheanswer · 13/09/2023 18:20

Sorry 'does not mean'

Needmorelego · 13/09/2023 18:22

@Iwasafool I am not a teacher but if I heard a phone ringing from the bottom of a bag and a pupil went "Oh crap I think that's mine" and they grab it, don't answer the call, switch off and put back in the bag and apologise for it happening - I would generally assume it was a genuine error.

Myfabby · 13/09/2023 18:43

smartiesneberhadtheanswer · 13/09/2023 18:20

Sorry 'does not mean'

Well how do you know?The rules obviously spelt out one week confiscation. I'm not sure why people are being obtuse. How is the school overstepping?
OP (and her son) is reasonable and has accepted the consequences.

WombatChocolate · 13/09/2023 18:58

I think it’s hard for us who didn’t grow up with phones to imagine the difficulties phones call within schools. There is the ringing in lessons, looking at them under the desk, inappropriate material brought into school, bullying, theft, 24/7 communication with parents……the list goes on. Of course they are part of life now and there are undoubtedly loads of very good points and most of us wouldn’t want to be without our phones.

But sometimes people struggle to see the issues of managing over 1000 or over 2000 teens with these and the issues. Each incident is ‘just’ one incident and not always intended. It is September and like uniform, schools know that they need to start off firm and clear because otherwise it all runs away with itself and becomes impossible to rein back in.

So schools do need to have a policy and to implement it. Some schools will be stricter than others. Some won’t confiscate, some will do it for a day and others for longer. Some will use detentions or other sanctions. Quite often, parents don’t feel a sanction is totally fair and quite often they want to step in and defend their child and argue against the sanction. I would say that parents need to think about some of the bigger principles of generally supporting the school and allowing the school to decide the sanction, rather than expecting it to tailor its sanctions to each individual child and what their parent wants. There will be very occasional circumstances where it’s right for a parent to get invovled and oppose a sanction……but these are likely to be incredibly rare and many parents won’t ever need to do it in an entire secondary career.

So, rather than getting het up and furious about the denial of a phone, or coming up with lots of possible scenarios which might make a phone something that simply cannot be taken away for a very small number of students (medical) and which don’t apply here, persoanlly, I’d be saying to my child ‘Yes,it does seem a harsh punishment. It’s harsher than I’d expect, but your phone did ring and now you have to just accept the consequence. It doesn’t matter that you didn’t mean the phone to ring and thought it was turned off. It’s just one of those things the school feels strongly about and uses this approach. You will manage for the week. We can do X, Y and Z to make it work. You can feel a bit disgruntled…that’s fine, but it’s something we just have to suck up. We will support the school with its approach even if we think it’s a it harsh. And you won’t let it ring again will you. Let’s not make it into a bigger deal than it needs to be. Onwards and uowards’

mauveiscurious · 13/09/2023 19:14

LongTimeListener1 · 12/09/2023 12:28

Teachers have it hard enough without parents second guessing sanctions for misbehaviour. They told him in advance what the (not very serious) consequences would be, he still did it, he should live with the consequences. This thread is just a load of drama that undermines teachers and contributes to ill discipline in the future.

I agree with this, phones should be banned in school

Iwasafool · 13/09/2023 19:27

Needmorelego · 13/09/2023 18:22

@Iwasafool I am not a teacher but if I heard a phone ringing from the bottom of a bag and a pupil went "Oh crap I think that's mine" and they grab it, don't answer the call, switch off and put back in the bag and apologise for it happening - I would generally assume it was a genuine error.

Edited

OK so what if that happens and they don't apologise, what if it's in their pocket and they do a nervous laugh. There are so many variables. The rule is no phones so no phones. It is simple, it is fair as there is no teacher thinking little Oscar is an angel so he is believed but Tarquin is a cheeky so don't believe him.

goldfootball · 13/09/2023 19:30

@smartiesneberhadtheanswer 🤷🏻‍♀️ it’s actually quite vague and the law states it needs to be ‘proportionate’ so if parents have agreed to the behaviour policy and it’s been made clear that is the consequence then it seem it is lawful as it would be a matter of opinion of it was proportionate or not. And in this case parents would be assumed to have agreed to it as per a behaviour policy. Not saying I have any particular opinion on it - i think ideally phones would be in lockers all day to remove this problem - but the school does appear to have the right to confiscate items for a week.

Needmorelego · 13/09/2023 19:38

@Iwasafool if they don't apologise then (if I was a teacher) I would probably confiscate until the end of the lesson/day.
I do agree that there should be rules on phones in schools (my daughter's previous secondary was the basic "Switched Off and Out Of Sight", her Primary they had to hand them in at the end of the day and then they lived in the office) but also schools should not then expect their students to have to rely on technology to be able to access homework apps etc. For some - no phone means no access to WiFi.

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