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SW London Private and Grammar Schools Waiting Lists (Y7 2023 entry)

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Limebasilico · 14/02/2023 09:00

Following the private and grammar school exam threads, I am starting this one for those with waiting list places. May be helpful to hear if and when waiting lists begin to move.

We had some offers and some WL places. We have released the offers we are not taking and waiting for a place on the Reeds WL.

Hoping for movement after offer holder days (next week), national schools offer day (1st March) and offer acceptance dates (circa 9/10th March).

OP posts:
PatriciaHolm · 14/02/2023 23:14

Stopsnowing · 14/02/2023 22:52

What happens if schools get a higher number of acceptances than they were expecting? I can’t quite understand how they can be confident about making twice as many offers as places.

They end up with a bigger year group than they expected! As above, Surbiton has done this before and I believe NLCS has a larger than expected Year8 (or maybe 9) because of it - it's not a perfect science ;-) But generally they know what they are doing.

EweCee · 15/02/2023 12:26

PatriciaHolm · 14/02/2023 23:14

They end up with a bigger year group than they expected! As above, Surbiton has done this before and I believe NLCS has a larger than expected Year8 (or maybe 9) because of it - it's not a perfect science ;-) But generally they know what they are doing.

Apparently SHS have under offered this year to ensure a smaller cohort to offset last year's larger cohort! I am waiting until our offer holder day next week to verify that.

UKUSMum · 16/02/2023 11:39

i have heard that if they have more acceptances than usual they are just as likely to go into the WLs as they may now have to fill an additional form. Sadly I think it’s impossible to know what will happen and the only thing I’ve heard for sure is that most schools will make offers to WL families they’re fairly sure will accept. I’ve heard from admissions officers, at least one school head, and on Mumsnet, that the best thing to do is be in touch with the schools letting them know it’s your top choice and you’d accept an offer immediately. Good luck all. I look forward to celebrating offers on here and just hope they come in quickly!

Redapples81 · 17/02/2023 11:17

Anyone had any positive moment in WL or is everyone just in limbo?

ghislaine · 17/02/2023 12:26

We’ve heard nothing but have been promised news next week. Trying but failing not to think about it!

HighAltitude23 · 17/02/2023 12:45

We have also heard nothing. Do you think they could realistically let us know next week?

QuiteAJourney · 17/02/2023 13:03

In case useful, although anecdotally, hopefully giving a feeling of people's thoughts processes /timings.
We know, albeit from a limited sample, of quite a few rejections that went out last week from people with multiple offers that have left their top 2-4 options to visit next week. I do not think that would have been enough to move schools to WL, but it starts giving schools an idea of where they might end up with offers / WL.
Next week is key in terms of offer holders events - from our own case, and from close friends, people intend to drop all but one or two asap after that... so I think that there might be some movement at the start of w/c 27th February.
Also, the WL lists themselves are becoming shorter as people drop from them.
Remember that once schools know that they might not fill in numbers they have an incentive to move to WL asap as they know that, once deposits are placed, people will be much less likely to accept a WL offer.

SheilaFentiman · 17/02/2023 14:36

We were away for half term when our envelope arrived years ago, we sent a relative round to open the post. But we didn’t take any action to accept/decline until we were back from half term. Hopefully more movement next week!

ghislaine · 17/02/2023 15:31

This might sound silly, but are the children on the WL ones that the school thinks will cope/are desirable? I am tying myself up in knots here thinking ahead of myself that since DC1 didn’t make the initial cut, he hasn’t made the cut at all.

SheilaFentiman · 17/02/2023 16:21

If they are on the WL, they are suitable for the school, just didn’t do quite as well in the tests/interviews as those who were offered. If not suitable, he wouldn’t be on the waitlist.

momomamiko · 17/02/2023 22:41

QuiteAJourney · 17/02/2023 13:03

In case useful, although anecdotally, hopefully giving a feeling of people's thoughts processes /timings.
We know, albeit from a limited sample, of quite a few rejections that went out last week from people with multiple offers that have left their top 2-4 options to visit next week. I do not think that would have been enough to move schools to WL, but it starts giving schools an idea of where they might end up with offers / WL.
Next week is key in terms of offer holders events - from our own case, and from close friends, people intend to drop all but one or two asap after that... so I think that there might be some movement at the start of w/c 27th February.
Also, the WL lists themselves are becoming shorter as people drop from them.
Remember that once schools know that they might not fill in numbers they have an incentive to move to WL asap as they know that, once deposits are placed, people will be much less likely to accept a WL offer.

"Remember that once schools know that they might not fill in numbers they have an incentive to move to WL asap as they know that, once deposits are placed, people will be much less likely to accept a WL offer."

That is what I thought as well but our WL school said they are only able to revert from noon on March 3rd (by which time deposits elsewhere would be placed.). Do they expect people to put a deposit in a firm offer school and still pursue a WL place - I dont understand it really.

QuiteAJourney · 17/02/2023 22:53

momomamiko · 17/02/2023 22:41

"Remember that once schools know that they might not fill in numbers they have an incentive to move to WL asap as they know that, once deposits are placed, people will be much less likely to accept a WL offer."

That is what I thought as well but our WL school said they are only able to revert from noon on March 3rd (by which time deposits elsewhere would be placed.). Do they expect people to put a deposit in a firm offer school and still pursue a WL place - I dont understand it really.

Interesting that your particular school is so categorical. Others seems to be referring to not being likely but not ruling it out. I suppose that it depends on how conservative (or not) they have been with their offers

momomamiko · 17/02/2023 23:18

@QuiteAJourney

yes indeed. I can understand them being conservative and not over offer extensively nevertheless I think it makes sense for all involved to get the ball rolling and move the WL as the offers are being released rather than wait till the last hour.

QuiteAJourney · 17/02/2023 23:19

@momomamiko completely agree

momomamiko · 17/02/2023 23:29

For those with an offer for LU, can I ask a nitty gritty question re the offer conditions? If we accept the offer and pay the deposit, what is the latest day by which we can withdraw and deposit would still be returned? TIA!

Daydreamscometrue · 18/02/2023 07:01

One school mentioned no communication until the 6th of March. I would have thought that they could let people know before that point if they'd had a certain number of rejections to make a place viable.

Magnoliasunrise · 18/02/2023 07:34

momomamiko · 17/02/2023 23:29

For those with an offer for LU, can I ask a nitty gritty question re the offer conditions? If we accept the offer and pay the deposit, what is the latest day by which we can withdraw and deposit would still be returned? TIA!

I'm pretty sure its non refundable so if you accept and pay then withdraw at whatever date you lose the deposit.

ChiefRoady · 18/02/2023 08:22

@Daydreamscometrue I suppose if they are more “mid tier” but still very over subscribed they might be expecting a lot of rejections right at the last minute if their acceptance deadline is the 6th? If they are used to their offered DCs being WL for the more selective schools or grammars. Or their candidates are likely to be the DCs with multiple offers to decide between.

Is it that type of school?

Or they might just be managing expectations and trying to set a “don’t call us we’ll call you” rule for February

Daydreamscometrue · 18/02/2023 09:13

I think it's probably the second. It seems to be a school that isn't keen on communication.

WombatChocolate · 18/02/2023 09:25

I think the exact pattern depends on the specific school and whether applicants with offers are likely to have a preference for other schools.

Some schools, particularly those as you move to mid-tier expect large numbers to turn them down. Obviously they hope they won’t, but they know from experience that they are actually second choice for many. This can be especially the case if lots of the applicants are hoping for a state grammar place. The difficulty is that it can differ year to year. Such schools first of all significantly over-offer. They have to, to ensure they aren’t too dependent on WL. Even the most popular schools do over-offer more than people imagine, as even applicants to top schools have usually applied to several and some will choose an alternative in the end due to travel or scholarship or bursary etc.

Schools don’t like using the WL. If they can avoid it, it’s better. It’s because by the time you get to the close of acceptances and then a few days in, many at the top of the WL won’t accept. They perhaps always preferred somewhere else that they got an offer from. Actually lots at the top of WL are in that position. Others might have preferred the WL school, but in the time since offers have come round to the idea of a school they had an offer from and decided a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. People talk themselves into loving what’s available to them. If they’ve paid a deposit, this is even more the case. They have probably been to offer holders days, met some families who will be going there and are excited about the school they hold an offer for. So many on the WL who are given an offer say ‘no’. And the school finds it’s having to go down the WL. It’s having to wait for people to reply to offers and some take a couple of days and in that time things move on and more and more are sorted. So they have to go further down the list to those that they’re not quite so keen to take. If they reach a certain number of acceptances, they might decide to just stop there and not go down the WL further. They know that in the next 4 months, 2 or 3 families will contact them to say they’re moving into the area and they will be able to test them and maybe make one or two offers to strong candidates. So this is the more academic schools and bigger schools who can afford to do this. They aren’t quite so dependent on totally filing their 8 Forms and if they are 4 or 5 short, they’d rather have that than take weaker students. They know that in all likelihood one or two will appear part way through yr 7 or 8. They can be a bit flexible.

So, schools that have to use the WL or use it for more than a very small number if places, tend to be those that are less academic, probably smaller and it’s more urgent for them that they fill their places. Essnrtially they are much less selective. It’s why lots of schools have a WL, but never actually use it.

Sorry, not what people on this thread want to hear. And of course, people do get offers from WL every year. I think it’s v true that they often don’t release where people are on WL, because they want flexibility in who they offer to and will go for those they think will accept the place. It’s why staying in contact is important.

SheilaFentiman · 18/02/2023 09:44

I think this is very wise from WombatChocolate.

Also, for schools to do WL offers once, or in a couple of batches, means they can balance various factors across the group.

DS1’s school, to sort them into forms, makes boys pick what language you want or study in year 7. Suppose the top 10 on the WL all want German, but the forms are underweight in French. Suppose boy 12 and 15 on the list are siblings, so it would be good for the school to get those in if they can. Suppose boys 3 and 8 let slip in interview that the school wasn’t their first choice, so they might well disappear off the list soon anyway. Suppose 6 of them come from the south of the school, but the south bus route is already full.

Agree that staying in touch will help!

KPA · 18/02/2023 17:48

I spoke to one school who said those who they had asked if they wanted to be on the waitlist hadn’t even replied so they are waiting for those people to respond, then movement after taster days, acceptance deadline and state school offers. Between this period (now to 3rd March roughly), there is lots of movement.

Daydreamscometrue · 19/02/2023 18:18

Thinking of those on waiting lists as we start a new school week. Figures crossed for good news!

Hanahanna · 19/02/2023 21:18

Magnoliasunrise · 18/02/2023 07:34

I'm pretty sure its non refundable so if you accept and pay then withdraw at whatever date you lose the deposit.

Magnoliasunrise is right. The deposit is non refundable. Just like to add that they ask if the deposit is using to offset on the DC’s final term’s fee or to donate to school’s charity for bursary.

ChiefRoady · 20/02/2023 08:39

@WombatChocolate @SheilaFentiman thanks for your posts.

It made me think a lot. I have been so desperate to get DS into our favourite school that being on the WL felt like a catastrophe. I felt very panicked about it (probably not helped by offer day being a really stressful work day).

But you’ve made me put this into perspective. Do I want him to end up at a school where he might struggle if he’s on the weaker end academically when he could go to a state school where he might be one of the clever kids…

Now trying to fall in love with what I assume will be available to us!