Thread 8 Carry on Corona Cohort: GAV give us the CAG?

[OrangeCinnamon1]

Welcome all to the 8th Thread for this year's GCSE cohort the Corona Cohort!

Some of us have been here since I started first thread back in yr10, some will be new. Everyone has been friendly and helpful in the past. It is hoped this will continue. Going forward we intend to stay in secondary so any new threads should have 'GCSE Summer 2020 Thread # : Carry on Corona Cohort' in title just to make it easier to find.

From now on our DS/DD may go down various paths so we decided not to be exclusionary and stay right here in Secondary until HQ chuck us
At this precise moment in time we are awaiting GCSE results that seem to have been produced by an algorithm that also takes very little account of Teacher Centre Assessed Grades. There is an appeal process but it was changed yesterday to include mock results and coursework, then taken down again for review.
Trying to protect our young people's mental health.during this shit show , which the government claims is their priority...when they talk about wanting students back in schools/college in September...

first ever thread

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The Ofqual figures that highlight that Ofqual make huge mistakes/grade changes in other years are shocking and undermine Ofqual.

What worries me is that those figures can also be used to say: this year is fairer then, isn't it? Those statistics can be used to say Ofqual have made fewer mistakes/grade changes this year.

Maybe they have just made different mistakes.

Do we have what I would call a secondary indirect vested interest here?

@RedskyAtnight the universities have already published their admissions processes for 2021 entry. And it would not be fair for people with 2020 results if the universities said they were not equivalent to 2021 results.

The QC leading the legal action is on LBC radio right now!!!

I’m back from my Dad’s (True Blue) he nodded while my sister (works for RG Uni) ranted & said he’s SURE the government will sort it before Thurs & when challenged it was too late for those A-Level students he agreed....yet didn’t go as far to blame the government 🙄

Sorry I missed the rest of the LBC programme.

Catching up on latest developments / twitter etc now

I too loved the post about Gav's annual review.

Agree with Monkey. Our anger should be directed at OFQUAL aswell. How are they allowed to get away with such tomfoolery?

@neutralintelligence - you may like to read this - www.silverbulletmachine.com/single-post/2019/06/16/Grade-unreliability---the-full-story

Not sure what you mean about the secondary vested interest. If you mean "will it affect our children later that they will be competing with a cohort with almost twice as many A*s at A level than they have?", yes, it may have a bit of a negative effect for our lot.

It may be that the current Y12s get more top grades to level them up with current Y13. Will they then revert to the pre-2020 levels for our DC? Maybe!

It is still the case that at an individual level the fairest thing to do for these GCSE/A level kids is to give them their CAGs. Then wait for the screams from the schools who kept their CAGs down to match historic grades........

Huge thanks to Heifer for excellent guide to pull up previous grades data.

@Monkey2001 which is what we did. We knew they would look at the trend and we CAGged in line with that, predicting a small rise as that's what we've had year on year.

The QC explained why the algorithm was wrong very well.
They have given the government a deadline of Wednesday, after which they will launch legal action on Thursday.
Not sure what others on this thread think about parents with children not in years 11 or 13 on this thread trying to stop our campaigning to get the CAG reinstated. Read between the lines folks.

Thread invasion by a parent of an older or younger child who does not want CAGs used because they think that is unfair to their child?
Please tell me I am wrong.

Actually at least 2 such parents?

This is from the mail so take it with a pinch of salt

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8632281/Pupils-use-teachers-predicted-grades-challenge-GCSE-Levels-results.html

I'd like to think that if I was a Y10 or Y12 parent now, I'd be thinking that there are no guarantees at all that exams will take place in the usual way next summer, or even if they do that my child might not lose more time this year due to local lockdowns/self isolating/illness so having a method that is fair to the individual is a good thing.

@RedskyAtnight That is the right attitude - you are correct

@milkjetmum and @FabTab whilst i'm sure, at the outset , you concerns are valid. It has been explained on this thread reasons why the unfair system currently in place will have a levelling effect for all. If you don't want to consider that information that's fine but please respect the fact that this is supposed to be a supportive thread for current year 11 parents in the midst of grade uncertainty. Our kids will be getting their results on Thursday not next year amd we are running out of time to sort this situation. So sorry we can't give y10s attention yet but this shit show needs to be sorted first.

I am quite new to these Year 11 GCSE threads, but people have been nice to me and put up with my ranting. So I apologise if I am out of line, but read the thread title - this really is not the right thread for you if you fundamentally disagree with this year's GCSE and A level pupils getting their CAGs!

reason why CHANGES to

I've found your "ranting" very interesting and informative neutral - please keep it up!

Well put @OrangeCinnamon1

@neutralintelligence you’re not out of line at all. The immediate uncertainty is what needs addressing right now.

@RedskyAtnight I would hope I would feel the same.

These threads have been a source of support and information & I am very thankful. The next few days will be a rollercoaster & we need to continue to support each other.

Please do not under any circumstances stop ranting Neutral, I am finding it very soothing 😁
I think as a thread we have had a collective shift to the CAGs. Don’t think everyone in agreement and those of us who do feel this mostly take that position recognising there are issues but feel it’s the best option from where we are now.
Anyone with opposing views very welcome 😊

So @MrsHamlet do you think CAGs are the fairest thing at this point in time?

What I think should have happened is that, for A levels, OFQUAL should have looked at total CAGs submitted by each centre, maybe converting the whole submission to the average UCAS points per subject equivalent for A level CAGs and compared that with the equivalent figure for the last 3 years. If they varied by less than, say 2%, they should stand. If they varied by more than 2% OFQUAL would have entered into discussion with the centre to find out whether they had objective data to support their "bid" for higher grades. If not, the centres would be told to re-submit with a cap on what they could request.

Similar thing for GCSEs, although not sure how you would calculate the total for the centre, but people like FFT would.

It is still the case that at an individual level the fairest thing to do for these GCSE/A level kids is to give them their CAGs. Then wait for the screams from the schools who kept their CAGs down to match historic grades........

That’s what we did at my school Monkey2001. Wouldn’t we be justified in “screaming” on behalf of our students?

Sorry Monkey2001, just read your post above mine and agree with it.

We are all under enough stress without the thread being derailed.