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Moving from private to state Yr 7/8

134 replies

glindathegoodbitch · 25/02/2019 05:23

Dear All,

As you can see, the ungodly hour I am writing this means that I am stressed out if my eyeballs with worry.

Dd (currently yr7) is at a great private which she is flourishing at. She's been there since Yr2 and is very involved in every aspect. Drama and music scholar, but also very sporty (County at 2 sports) and bright- top set all round. She's in a very strong friendship group and is very loved.

Things were finely balanced. DH's wages pay household and running of, my wages pay school fees. The last year we have had a massive change of circumstance. I have had I'll health resulting in horribly long hospital stays, our youngest ds has been put on the radar for sen, so all in all, I took the decision to stay at home (he is pre-school) and spend more time with him. This has resulted in him making leaps and bounds with his communication and cognitive development. I'm over the moo and he is much happier and calmer. Middle ds (yr1) is making huge leaps because I am at home to read and spell with him and he is like a different child. So much more secure, less anxious and is loving school finally- reception he cried every single day. I feel like if I were to return to my very high pressured, long hours, long commute job, I would be throwing both boys under a bus. I have simply loved being home with them and to be there for when Dd comes home too.

Here comes the massive problem: we just simply cannot afford dd's school fees. Not even a little bit. I've been sticking my head in the sand this term hoping that money would some how magically appear out of my arse, but to no avail.

I'm going to sort out some part time, school(ish) hours work. Ds's school has no breakfast club and limited afterschool so options are limited.... but it will in now way make a dent in the school fees, plus... I'd actually like to live a bit. We haven't been on a holiday in years and we are always balancing every last penny. Our house is in desperate need of repairs, but there's just no money. Private school is a total pipe dream unless I am working to the point I barely see my children. We are very rural so everything takes so much longer and is so much further away- we can't move, tied to family property and could not afford to buy elsewhere.

Im just so sick of worrying about it. I'm up most nights. DH going to talk to bursar today, but we don't hold out much hope. They are a tightly run unit and have a strict 'no more than 50%' policy- which she is already on. I don't know of anyone who has ever exceeded it.

So I am looking at the local state today. The school looks great and is outstanding, but is in an incredibly rough town and there have been rumours of County lines drugs and there was recently a stabbing type incident in the school. I know no one at the school so can't find any further information beyond what is in the papers.

Both DH and I were privately educated so we are stupidly institutionalised. I'm terrified that she will be unsafe or bullied horrendously. That's no reflection on state education, just my own ridiculous ignorance.

If she moves at the end of year 7 will she be bullied for being the new girl? Will she settle OK? She's so funny and beautiful and I love her so much, but I cannot go bankrupt just to keep her at school. How do I go about all of this?

It feels like [redacted]'s choice. Either I risk my Dd potentially being unhappy (or she could flourish???... Some private to state success stories would be really appreciated) or I feel like I'm abandoning my boys to keep her in a school that we cannot realistically afford anyway.

I'm so so sorry if this is rambly nonsense, but I've been up since 1am with it all going round and round my head whilst googling 'local state school drugs/grooming/bullying'.

We should have pulled her at the end of year six, but we're swept up in the scholarships/ we can do this if we knuckle down/ isn't it lovely wave...

Please tell me that it's all going to be OK. I'm exhausted.

Identifying information edited by MNHQ

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BarbarianMum · 25/02/2019 09:02

Yes just like Sophie's choice. And she wont be special anymore. Will be judged on her own merits and have to develop her own work ethic and moral compass . It will be terrible. Hmm

friskybivalves · 25/02/2019 09:04

Barbarianmum OP has already agreed the comparison to Sophie's Choice was ill judged.

AzraiL · 25/02/2019 09:11

Does your daughters school offer a academic, arts or sports scholarships?

AzraiL · 25/02/2019 09:12

Sorry for the atrocious spelling and grammar, am typing one-handed.

NanFlanders · 25/02/2019 09:21

Hi. My dd goes to an outstanding state school in n area with a few problems (gang-related violence, nearby). It honestly does not seem to touch the kids. the results are great (from fully comprehensive intake), loads of extra-curricular music activities, behaviour exemplary. If I had all the money in the world I wouldn't take her out. Obviously, it's a wrench moving, but if you can't afford to keep her where she is, I'd say move asap, so she has time to settle in before GCSE courses start.

Wintersnowdrop · 25/02/2019 09:26

You probably need to get her name on the waiting list. There will probably be some in year movement. See how many other students are already on the waiting list for her year.

PenguinPandas · 25/02/2019 09:30

Get her on waiting lists - they do move - we went from no school places for 10 miles to school 5 minutes away very quickly. Find out where she is on lists and remember a lot of people will be on several lists - up to 6 in our old area.

It's worth also finding sporting clubs around locally that can support her sporting ambitions though some state schools do a lot - they don't have resources of private ones though.

Fazackerley · 25/02/2019 09:32

Fwiw my dd2s independent school (supposedly very academic amd results twice as high as our local comp where ds goes) got the grand totsl of 0 students into Oxbridge this year (lots of interviews no offers). Local comp got 7!

Bekabeech · 25/02/2019 09:46

Drugs- are present in every secondary school in the country, and the problem can be worse in private schools. But your child can breeze through totally ignorant of them (my eldest did until the boy who sat next to him in Physics suddenly wasn't there one day, expelled for dealing).

Chard is hardly a den of iniquity.

MsTSwift · 25/02/2019 09:52

I went to a rural comp and had never been exposed to sex or drugs until I went to stay with my mothers school friend whose dd and friends were at St. Paul’s girls when I was 15. Oh my god my eyes were opened. I scuttled back to my Somerset comp with some relief.

AornisHades · 25/02/2019 09:52

Don't panic about a lack of spaces. You will have to apply to the county council for a school. They will identify the nearest space. You can then access waiting lists and you have some time to sit on them. If there aren't any spaces within a certain distance then you get into appeals and Fair Access Protocols.
The council will have all the procedures on line and for specific questions MN is pretty good for admissions advice.

SnuggyBuggy · 25/02/2019 09:57

Fingers crossed OP. You obviously want what's best for her and it sounds like a very stressful situation

sm40 · 25/02/2019 10:24

I went to private school. My dh to a grammar, then we both went oxbridge. Sent my ds to private primary. He's now at the local outstanding secondary. He loves it. Ok so not as fancy and not learning mandarin, but he's happy. It was a leap of faith but so far so good. He's made friends with some lovely people, tells me about the 'naughty' kids, who the school deal with, and who he ignores.
As for drugs, at oxbridge, the biggest druggies were the ones with the most expensive educations!

MsTSwift · 25/02/2019 10:28

In our peer group (tertiary educated all with professional type jobs) only one family have gone private. Think it’s less of the norm than it used to be.

dairymilkmonster · 25/02/2019 11:29

You poor thing. Ignore all the nasty comments; those folks can see how they like it when they need support (whatever for) and just get thoughtless insults.

It sounds like your dd would be going to a good school. Once you aren't paying fees, perhaps some cash can be put aside for drama classes, extra sport outside of school if needed. State schools often have much shorter days so there is more time for extra curricular out of school.

I changed schools at the end of yr7, due to a house move, and it was fine. My sister went comprehensive to private boarding starting in yr9 (I was at uni then) when my dad's job was moved abroad - that also went much more smoothly than expected.

Take your time to decide.

You could also approach the school re hardship funds/bursaries.

Remember that your other kids will grow and you may feel you want to work later on.

RedSkyLastNight · 25/02/2019 12:31

“The GCSE results are average ... er probably because it's a comp that pulls in a wide ability range ....?
(actually I made the mistake of googling the school and found that the results were better than at the school my DC attend - from which I can assure OP that the results are average due to the intake - able children will still be ending up with a set of results that are 7+ !!)

SwimmingJustKeepSwimming · 25/02/2019 12:36

Average is fine. Average usuallu means it has high abiliyy kids who do well and low ability kids who do as well as they can and the results are ....averaged.... resulting in an average result fof the school!

Doesnt mean anyone needs extra tutoring!!

glindathegoodbitch · 25/02/2019 15:28

ugh. What a crap day. lots of phone calls to all the big local(ish) secondaries. all full except a small local middle school- which if she joined, she'd have to move on from in a year anyway- so more disruption. plus sport is pretty non-existent i think (don't quote me on that, but it doesn't seem to have much pf a presence on the website).
plus they have announced today that they are totally reforming the school and it's in upheaval. I just don't feel confident in it at all. The head seemed absolutely lovely, but it just doesn't feel right.
would now rip my arm off for the big catchment secondary.

Dh has a meeting with bursar tomorrow- of which i'm not holding out much hope. i feel heartbroken for dd as i'd sold her the idea on the premise of the bid secondary, but the waiting list is huge apparently.

I'm so naive, just thought i'd be able to rip off the plaster, whip her out and she'd be in and making new friends asap.

my beautiful ds's have been a complete handful today- they seem to sniff out inset days as something to christmas level excited about, when I've had loads on my mind and i'm completely bloody shattered.

going to fill out bursary forms tonight when back from hospital and then pass out!

Thanks so much for all your replies- even the ones lambasting my choice of words... sometimes i need help to not be a bumbling Boris Johnson in a wig xx

OP posts:
Fazackerley · 25/02/2019 15:31

Is the local middle a feeder for the others?

BartonHollow · 25/02/2019 15:36

I wouldn't lose hope for a full scholarship if she's a pupil the school doesn't want to lose.

It's a shit decision but you are making the right one Thanks

Hobsons Choice is the descriptor you were looking for

AornisHades · 25/02/2019 15:37

Yes, does the middle school feed into a good school? They must have some arrangement to get children into the full secondary schools.
If so it could be quite a smart move. Your dd would go into a slightly smaller school which might be less of a shock to a big secondary, make some friends locally that she could move on with.

glindathegoodbitch · 25/02/2019 15:38

Yes- Wadham... but they are now going to extend the school to accommodate up to 16?? It's a tiny site, I can't even see how that would be possible? I'm going to look round Thursday morning, but the stats are all below average- up to 10% off national average and Wadham has low stats too. They've announced today that a new academy trust is taking over.

the whole decision feels really rushed and I'm really really sure that the middle school isn't the place for her- it has a very primary school feel and she's very grown up. I think she'd be really unhappy but be really stoic and keep it all bottled up. i love her so much, i just don't want to get this wrong. DH was born locally and I'm pretty sure he'll say the middle school is a no go. we've never even considered it, even though it's in the next town.

Going to fill out the application forms for the big secondary and then appeal?

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glindathegoodbitch · 25/02/2019 15:40

oh god yes- Hobson's choice... i knew it was 'something' choice. I think it was all the Oscar chat that made me think of Meryl Streep .

Bloody night time googlefest.

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glindathegoodbitch · 25/02/2019 15:45

I'm really sorry if i offend anyone who's children go to the school fed from the middle school- but no. I don't know much about it, but it doesn't have a great reputation and results are largely well below average.

seriously considering homeschool right now.... except I'm pretty sure we'd kill each other after a week. I have absolutely no patience and she is so sociable and lively, i think just my company would drive her insane. she hates the summer holidays as we live in the middle of nowhere and literally counts the days down to going back to school. as much as where we live is beautiful... it doesn't beat a gaggle of girls on a sports field.

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GreyRoses · 25/02/2019 15:59

OP, did you see my reply saying you'd be liable for the fees now up to the end of the academic year?

So whipping her anywhere is a waste of that money. You will have to pay for next term and the rest of this term in any case.