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Controversial Behaviour Policy changes

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Chattonnoire · 16/09/2018 15:05

I am looking to get some insight into the changes taking places at a number of Free Schools, especially London, that have been making dramatic changes to Behaviour Policy since Michaela Community School made headlines as being the strictest school in Britain:

time.com/5232857/michaela-britains-strictest-school/

metro.co.uk/2017/09/11/britains-strictest-school-bans-pupils-from-looking-out-the-window-and-smirking-6917747/

www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/13422769.The_secrets_of_Magna_Academy_s_transformation__Students_who_walk_silently_between_lessons/

I noticed, that the comments at the end of these articles were mostly negative from parents and students in these schools, and don't appear to be in line with the "hard sell" the schools are making it out to be.

The impression is that teachers are asserting control over the difficult and disruptive students at the expense of the rest; the average student is muted in these "silent transitions" to and from classes and expressed feeling unhappy and the environment oppressive and weird.

None of the students have the authority to question the new policy, too afraid of being given 90 minutes detentions on the same day regardless of any commitments they may have (Medical or Sporting...at the expense of either their health missing long awaited NHS appointments or financial loss for missed activities to lower income families, as many students on free school meals) for often arbitrary and minor and low level disruptions such as is listed on many of these schools behaviour policies.

So they are being taught not to learn any assertiveness, question authority at any point, to conform, never to speak out, contest or oppose injustice, and may in fact have long lasting emotional and psychological negative impact on these teen developing minds in the real world, where they may not be able to defend themselves from unfair treatment from employers, or even personal relationships.

I am concerned about how fitting and convenient it is for the staff of schools in managing the delinquents, but how damaging this can potential be for bright and able children to be treated with less freedom than correctional facilities. Mental health and self harm and teen suicides statistics are already depressingly high, and with high pressured expectations and penalised for low level infractions can sabotage a once engaged teen's self esteem. A friend's 14 year old son recently committed suicide. So this really touches a raw nerve.

I've seen how a hostile school environment can crush a student with so much potential too many times.

I can't help but thinK of Pink Floyd's "Another Brick in the Wall" with faceless children put through the grinder...sorry for the grim comparison....but I can't shake it.

Is this radical new Behaviour Control in developing adolescent minds a good thing, or setting them up to fail in the real world in order that the schools get "Outstanding" Ofsted reports as inspectors come and see automatons walking silently through schools for fear of punishment and exclusion?

Are any of you in these super strict schools and finding it great or awful?

*If you are a teacher or part of school staff, please indicate in your response, so an understanding of your perspective is made clear.

Thank you

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SnuggyBuggy · 16/09/2018 15:07

Wouldn't send mine to one

PutItAwayDear · 16/09/2018 15:09

Are you writing an article about this?

AalyaSecura · 16/09/2018 15:12

Journalist? You don’t really sound like a prospective parent.

AalyaSecura · 16/09/2018 15:12

X post!

Chattonnoire · 16/09/2018 15:14

My DC's school just dropped this new policy on us on first day back this term. No warning or consultation with parents to give us time to consider whether changes suitable for our child and make any changes if needed

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Chattonnoire · 16/09/2018 15:15

What is X post?

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Chattonnoire · 16/09/2018 15:16

I'm definitely a parent, and feeling trapped now that policy has been implemented

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SnuggyBuggy · 16/09/2018 15:16

I'd be pretty fucked off and if a teacher phoned me to say my child smiled at someone in the corridor I would just laugh and hang up.

Chattonnoire · 16/09/2018 15:21

SnuggyBuggy, the school wouldn't phone you, your teen would be put in detention that same day for 90 minutes if they even say so much as "Hi" to a friend in the corridor on way to class, without warning you...They get 2 warnings through a day, so, even turning around in your chair in lass, is counted as a warning...

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DeloresJaneUmbridge · 16/09/2018 15:22

I wouldn't send my child to one either. Then again he is autistic so they wouldn't want him. Let's be honest these behaviour policies are all about telling parents of children with SEN that they are not wanted.

That's fine but we need many more schools for children who won't fit in to these ultra strict "don't breathe in class or elsewhere" schools.

SnuggyBuggy · 16/09/2018 15:22

With no warning?

DeloresJaneUmbridge · 16/09/2018 15:23

And yes I would be challenging them. Especially if the child has a hospital appointment. They are hardly going to hold the child hostage though.

Cachailleacha · 16/09/2018 15:24

From your second link, many of those rules are incredibly unfair towards children who may have autistic traits (undiagnosed).

Smiling when nervous about being told off is often involuntary! Looking directly at staff when talking to them is very difficult for some children, and can mean that they are UNABLE to pay attention to what is actually being said.

Chattonnoire · 16/09/2018 15:27

What to do, if your kid has been going to this school for a few years (so currently enrolled) and were happy.... now suddenly imposes this new policy? And I agree, children with SEN are not going to manage

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SnuggyBuggy · 16/09/2018 15:28

To be honest I'd be tempted to send them in with a stink bomb

ScreamingValenta · 16/09/2018 15:34

Some of the rules published in the Metro article need proof-reading:

  • Not saying please/thank you or in a sarcastic way
  • Not looking directly at staff when talking to them/paying attention to when spoken to

Neither of those make sense grammatically. They're not a good advertisement for the school's standards of literacy.

Chattonnoire · 16/09/2018 15:35

I feel there is some kind of breach to child's rights, but even regular kids, not just SEN ones, exhibit traits of nervous/anxiety foot tapping, humming, distraction after long periods of focus... I mean hormones and testosterone...this is a very challenging and transitional period of life. Everything is going to be an offence, no excuses, 90 mins detention, then 24 hour declassed exclusion (they are put in school isolation for 24h). This is no joke, how are kids in these other school coping? I really don't care how happy the teachers are about the changes at this point, I'm more concerned about the student's welfare

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SnuggyBuggy · 16/09/2018 15:37

I assume you signed some form of behaviour policy but not this?

Cachailleacha · 16/09/2018 15:39

Yes, officially to the school my child is a 'regular kid', but he would unintentionally break many of the rules on that list. I would expect to be dealing with school refusal very quickly.

Chattonnoire · 16/09/2018 15:40

The schools appear to promote "Silent Transition" from classes, SLANT in classroom (Sit-up, Listen, Ask Questions when permitted, Nod head when teacher speaking, Track teacher with easy during lesson). No playground, No gym for break, no sport's turf to run off steam, and lunch break, Obliged to remain in your canteen seat for the entire lunch break. Cannot move to talk to other friends, but only those seated next to you. All during a 58 hour focused lesson a week. These were drilled into students during induction 5 times on first day. When do they get to decompress? Feels inhumane somehow

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SnuggyBuggy · 16/09/2018 15:43

Even prison wouldn't have that sort of regime.

Chattonnoire · 16/09/2018 15:43

*sorry SLANT:
S it up.

L isten.

A sk and answer questions.

N od your head.

T rack the speaker.

tlacstrategiesbetsylawson.wordpress.com/the-slant-strategy/

k12teacherstaffdevelopment.com/tlb/what-is-the-slant-strategy-and-how-does-it-improve-student-achievement/

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TeenTimesTwo · 16/09/2018 15:43

I'm in two minds.

I looked at the Michaela policy a couple of weeks back out of general interest. Although it is very restrictive I can see where they are coming from.

Quieter more controlled corridors means less chance of incidents which then have to be dealt with before a lesson can start. Plus my child finds the 'free' time at school quite stressful at times, so a quieter environment could benefit.

Keeping focus in class means all learning time is used. Being polite, no eye rolling etc is a good lesson to learn.

Being vey clear on expectations and sanctions means everyone knows where they are.

If a school had OK behaviour before then a Michaela-like set of rules seems OTT. But if it was dire ...

Chattonnoire · 16/09/2018 15:44

Actually, my mother worked in correctional facilities for 35 years and was appalled when told about the new Policy

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Haggisfish · 16/09/2018 15:45

Sounds utterly horrendous for students and staff.