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Teachers say 14 year old is too quiet in class

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candlelight22 · 08/07/2017 08:50

Just had son's report and all his teachers say he is far too quiet. One even said he is the quietest he's ever taught!

He says he doesn't see the need to talk in class, but when a teacher asks a question they only ever get a one word answer. He will never ask a question, not even after all the lesson when others have gone.

His grades are good (mostly Bs and As with a smattering of Cs) but they all say his silence is hindering his progress. This makes me sad as he has so much potential, but might under achieve because of his silence/shyness.

I am worried as GCSE year starts soon. He's got no issues in school and was always quiet in primary school. We hoped he would grow out of it but seems not.

What can I do? He's not a great communicator out of school! We talk a lot as a family.

What should the school do? All very well saying he is quiet, but they need to do something to support him I think.

He's choosing science options as he likes these best.
Pleas help. No idea how to approach this. He's not going to change overnight.

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TheHumanRace · 10/07/2017 13:38

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starfishmummy · 10/07/2017 13:43

My oarents wefe always being told I was quiet at school.
Sometimes I am still quiet.

Hasnt done me any harm. (Went to uni, got mydegree and good job)

GreenTuftyFlowers · 10/07/2017 14:00

This document below addresses a lot of the points raised here, it's taken from the Selective Mutism Resource Manual, the 'gold standard' treatment manual for Selective Mutism. The section on 'low profile selective mutism' is particularly worth a read.

An information sheet for parents and professionals

QUIET CHILD or SELECTIVE MUTISM?

Some children are naturally quiet and present a similar personality at home and in school. They do not venture a lot of information but can become quite animated with a familiar topic that captures their imagination. Provided they are coping academically, have a good friend or two and are not being bullied, quiet children move easily between their home and school environments without anxiety. Their relaxed body language and facial expressions show that they are happy to listen, without necessarily feeling the need to talk as much as their noisier peers.

Not all quiet children are comfortable with silence

For some quiet children and young people, however, it’s a very different picture. They may have an anxiety disorder called selective mutism (SM) – a phobia of speaking in specific situations. These individuals do not want to be quiet. They may have plenty to say but are unable to speak freely – just the thought of speaking to certain people fills them with dread and can trigger a panic or ‘freeze’ reaction. Typically, they feel a blockage in the throat as their muscles tense, and they cannot produce sound to talk, laugh or cry out loud.

When is it selective mutism?

Although no two children with SM are exactly the same, they all have:

• the ability to talk freely to certain people and not others (often described as ‘two personalities’)
• a consistent pattern of situations where speech is possible and not possible
• avoidance or reluctance to attend events where they will be expected to speak
• high levels of distress when their difficulty speaking freely is not understood.

Some children with SM are recognised more easily than others …

High-profile selective mutism

These children and young people do not speak at all to certain people. They are therefore quite easily recognised by the observable contrasts in their speaking patterns. They may speak to children in their educational setting, for example, but not adults. They may speak freely to their friends in the playground but not in the classroom where they will be overheard by other people. They may speak to relatives they see on a regular basis, but not those they see infrequently. And, typically, they speak to parents as soon as they move out of earshot of other people.

Once recognised, there is generally a willingness to accept that these children have an anxiety-related communication difficulty. Steps can be taken to remove all pressure to speak, followed by a gradual step-by-step approach to face their fear of talking. Importantly, with the right support, the children themselves recognise that SM is not part of their personality, but something that can be overcome, like other fears they worked through when they were younger; for example, a fear of darkness, fireworks or jumping in at the deep end of the swimming pool.

Low-profile selective mutism

Children with low-profile SM speak when prompted, so adults usually regard them as either shy or quiet and don’t realise that speaking provokes the same intense anxiety as high-profile SM. These children manage to say a few words because of their strong desire to be compliant. In effect, their fear of the consequences of not speaking outweighs their fear of speaking, but this fine balance only operates when they are fairly confident about the subject matter. So, in school, they may answer the register or read aloud on request, and can answer simple questions, albeit with a much quieter voice and less eye contact than they would use at other times. They may occasionally initiate an essential request, such as using the toilet, or pass on a short message when instructed. In contrast, they do not enter into reciprocal two-way conversation or initiate conversations, except with close friends and family.

Until it is recognised that they are unable to report bullying or illness, seek help, ask permission or explain themselves, these young people are at risk. Their difficulties may go unnoticed and they may be reprimanded, rather than supported, when they don’t speak up for themselves. Repeated encouragement to speak louder and make more of a contribution only heightens their discomfort. If their difficulties continue to be mismanaged, they are likely to speak less and less with an increase in school absence and decrease in self-esteem.

Children with low-profile and high-profile SM need the same help to achieve anxiety-free communication and participation.

Supporting children and young people who have selective mutism

• Appoint a member of staff to make a special relationship with the child or young person on a one-to-one basis.
• Actively support the development of friendships and inclusion in pastoral activities.
• Be patient and don’t pressurise the child or young person to speak; focus on discovering and acknowledging their many strengths and attributes.
• Seek advice or information on providing appropriate help from:

NHS choices www.nhs.uk/conditions/selective-mutism

Selective Mutism Information and Research Association (SMIRA)
www.smira.org.uk

Source: The Selective Mutism Resource Manual by Maggie Johnson and Alison Wintgens, Speechmark Publications

Acornantics · 10/07/2017 14:06

A teacher at DSs primary school helped me have a 'lightbulb' moment.

We were worried about quiet DSs' confidence levels, and she said rather than them being low, his confidence in himself was very high, he just didn't feel the need to constantly share that in class; he'd answer a question if asked, read out loud very competently, was diligent, kind, helpful, academically very strong, but she observed that he thought a lot rather than spoke a lot...none of this concerned us at all.

Like PP, when teachers tell us he's quiet, we just say 'yes, we know' and we ask politely how that can be accommodated in the class.

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GreenTuftyFlowers · 10/07/2017 15:37

I think this paragraph in the 'low profile selective mutism' section is significant, especially with regard to schools:

"Until it is recognised that they are unable to report bullying or illness, seek help, ask permission or explain themselves, these young people are at risk. Their difficulties may go unnoticed and they may be reprimanded, rather than supported, when they don’t speak up for themselves. Repeated encouragement to speak louder and make more of a contribution only heightens their discomfort. If their difficulties continue to be mismanaged, they are likely to speak less and less with an increase in school absence and decrease in self-esteem."

If you have doubts, it's probably worth considering whether any of the above applies to you/your child/your pupil.

oldbirdy · 10/07/2017 15:48

The problem with being so quiet that you are unable to answer reciprocally even when called upon in class, is that it is rare that this silence only happens in school. Children with low profile selective mutism typically can't order in a cafe, ask in the supermarket where the beans are, go to the doctor on their own, go on public transport where you have to state a fare or destination, or critically, attend a job interview. Those of you saying "it never did me any harm" or "no need to label these children" are missing the point. If the OP's son is just quiet - introverted - but he can do all the above things, then fine, he has no problem. If he can't, at the age of 14, then yes he bloody does have a problem and he has only a 30 percent chance of living a full communicative life if he doesn't get the appropriate help as soon as possible.

GreenTuftyFlowers · 10/07/2017 16:02

Absolutely oldbirdy. It's so important that SM children are identified early so that the SM isn't inadvertently reinforced by people treating lack of communication as a behavioural issue.

Also agree that children who are just naturally quiet but otherwise self-confident and able shouldn't be made to feel inadequate because of who they are, btw.

Badbadbunny · 10/07/2017 18:42

It's so important that SM children are identified early

Surely the teachers should do that though, rather than all just making comments on reports to parents? Surely it's the teachers who are in the position to identify the ones who need intervention?

oldbirdy · 10/07/2017 18:43

Badbadbunny as evidenced by this thread, knowledge of SM is sadly lacking, and knowledge of low profile SM (children who aren't completely silent) is rarer still.

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Badbadbunny · 10/07/2017 19:58

I think teachers are getting a hard time here for doing exactly what they should do.

But what use is it for several teachers to tell the parents that their child is quiet in class? What can the parents realistically do about it? Do the parents know whether it's a real problem that needs professional attention, or what options there are to deal with it?

oldbirdy · 10/07/2017 20:44

human race you are correct in saying what works for SM children will also work for other children with confidence issues. However the point is, those are not strategies that naturally occur to all teachers. Advising teachers on how to deal with anxious communicators is certainly not rocket science. However it does involve a change of style to most teachers. It does involve altering the way you ask questions. It does involve not putting a child on the spot to speak, but also not laying off them completely. It does involve stopping labelling them with a host of other names, such as rude, stubborn, wilful, controlling, insolent. There is still value in teaching these strategies to staff. One of the key questions asked about SM kids is, "does this child's quietness make you stressed, rejected or angry" as that is one of the things that distinguishes them from shy children. Shy children generally give enough back that a teacher (who doesn't know about SM) can feel benignly towards them. SM children usually can't.

No one has ever said OP's child has sm. We have just raised it as something that needs considering.

Henrythehoover · 10/07/2017 20:50

I think there is a difference I just couldn't speak at school I used to clam up and if I had to read out I used to mumble and get the words wrong. I still really struggle with interviews as my nerves are bad I revert back to how I used to be. But I do ask for a spoon in a cafe now which I never would have done as a child.

oldbirdy · 10/07/2017 20:54

Also, if you can get a child early enough, human, there certainly are specific interventions ("treatments" if you like) which help SM children but which you wouldn't need to do for "shy" children, because "shy" children warm up. The most well known of these is called "sliding in", it's a graded exposure to elicit speech.

I do get irritated when people who clearly don't have full expertise in an area dismiss the work of those who do.

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queenoftheschoolrun · 10/07/2017 22:07

This was me at the same age. All through school in fact until I reached sixth form. My teachers were very frustrated with me.

But it didn't stop me achieving great results at GCSE and I went on to get a degree from Oxford and have a successful career.

My parents took no notice of the comments in my reports and for this I will be forever grateful because it would have just made things worse. I didn't want to join in because I was self conscious and didn't feel I had anything worthwhile to contribute.

My DH finds this very difficult to believe - I grew out of it!

GreenTuftyFlowers · 10/07/2017 22:46

If you start labelling the child you are saying to them the 'problem' is them, rather than you're ok, it's the teachers that need to change something or how they deal with you.

It's chicken and egg though, isn't it? It's a natural human response to try and discipline a child for perceived 'rudeness' - things like not saying please, thank you, or pointing to something instead of verbalising a request. Without a 'label' (or more accurately, professional diagnosis), the child will be at risk of insensitive and damaging behaviour from people they come across in their everyday school and social interactions.

It would be nice to think that every member of school staff will have the knowledge and sensitivity to understand the difference between a rude child / socially anxious child / sm child and treat them accordingly, but this simply isn't the case.

oldbirdy · 10/07/2017 22:49

human I disagree with your concept of labelling. If a person is autistic, do they benefit from that being recognized? I don't agree either that by telling someone they have selective mutism (which I would only advocate way down the intervention list, if nothing is working, until then I would work on an "anxious about speaking" format) you are placing an issue within child. I do agree that one of the core dangers of SM is a young person accepting their SM as their identity (in a way those if us who subscribe to a neurodiversity paradigm encourage for autism). However I think it is naive to assume that firstly, these youngsters are not already acquiring a bunch of negative labels, secondly haven't noticed they have an issue, and thirdly haven't got trapped in viewing their inability to speak as part of their identity AND have that identity imposed upon them by peers ("Tom doesn't speak, Miss").

One of the key reasons why this condition IS poorly recognised is at the heart of another issue you raise, in which I again have the opposite perspective: who is this a problem for? For kids with SM (not referring to OP's son, just in general) the whole problem is that they don't generally cause anyone a problem, except themselves. Autism, ADHD, semh etc are well known in schools because the children pose challenges to management by teaching staff. SM children just sit quietly, usually do their work. The fact that they are being left in many many cases hopelessly unprepared for independence and a fulfilling life seems not to register. And intervention can be introduced subtly and supportively. And a recognition of their particular problem is vital IF they are unable to pursue college or a job and need PIP payments.

crazycatgal · 10/07/2017 22:51

I was like this at school due to anxiety. Teachers asking people questions who don't have hands up won't help if this is why your son doesn't speak in class. Being put on the spot used to make me feel awful and dread the lesson.

You need to determine why your son is like this at school to see if there's anything he needs support with, but if he's doing well I don't see why he needs to volunteer answers in class.

dinahmorris · 11/07/2017 00:24

When I have very quiet / seemingly anxious students in a class discussion I take the 'everyone has to speak once' approach. It actually helps the louder children too because they learn to listen to the quieter ones. At least every couple of lessons I circulate while they work and make an effort to talk to quiet individuals or small groups.

However, if get no feedback and all from a student during a lesson I can't be sure they are understanding the lesson. That really isn't good for the child's learning and does suggest there might be a problem with social development. Of course I have to deal with that because my job is far more than imparting knowledge.

dinahmorris · 11/07/2017 00:26

at all, not and all! Grrr.

Badbadbunny · 11/07/2017 08:40

However, if get no feedback and all from a student during a lesson I can't be sure they are understanding the lesson.

But surely you'll know from their written work and tests, which you mark, whether they're generally understanding and doing well?