DfE Data Cruncher predicts number of students who will get straight 9s

[noblegiraffe]

His guess is.... 2

Not 2%,

2 kids in the whole country will get all 9s in their GCSEs.

So that's the new challenge for the MN boaster.

Ofqual reckon 0 kids will manage it. They clearly haven't met any MNetters' kids.

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My ds is in year 9 and his school recently did a mock paper of a real GCSE, 3 papers in total and top mark was a total of 240.

My ds is top of his maths class, consistently gets top marks in tests etc and was horrified to discover he only got 51/240.

Clearly he needs to revise but I think that a lot of material won't yet have been covered.

He's predicted 5/6 for maths and has been really demotivated by this exam.

Zoflora- tell him not to be daft. He's in year 9!!!!!

Have people seen today's announcement. The grade 4 will now be the "standard pass" and grade 5 the "strong pass" and both will be reported in league tables. I'm not sure what that makes grades 1-3.

Apologies, missed a ?

From Justine Greening's letter to the Education Select Committee today it looks like there will be a very slight change to the name of the pass: - " Rather than reporting on the “good pass”, we will instead distinguish between a grade 4 as a “standard pass” and a grade 5 as a “strong pass” and report on both. "

And is also looks like students obtaining a 4 in English and Maths won't have to retake even after the first 2 years: "Under the new system, a grade 4 and above will be equivalent to a C and above. This is - and will remain - the level that pupils must achieve in order not to be required to continue studying English and maths post 16."

Sorry DumbledoresApprentice - I stepped away from the computer without submitting and as such cross-posted with you.

No problem. I feel so sorry for the kids sitting exams this year with their mixture of old grades and new grades that not even the government seem to understand.

Basically the government, with a couple of months to go, have bottled declaring vast swathes of extra pupils failures in their pursuit of improved standards.

While this is technically good news, there are not enough expletives in the world strong enough to adequately describe this shower of shit government and their fucking around with kids' lives.

It is too late for this kind of fannying around, sixth forms have already publicised their entry grades, some have already promised resits for those on a 4. I hope to see an apology from Justine Greening and her team of incompetents for massively wasting everyone's time and causing such stress, but I'm not holding my breath.

I've started a new thread to advertise this change as it has huge possible implications for Y11

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/secondary/2889484-Y11-PARENTS-GCSE-pass-grade-lowered-to-a-4

League tables will apparently report 4+ and 5+ which sounds bonkers. The DfE have said that to get the Ebacc will require a 5.

While this is technically good news, there are not enough expletives in the world strong enough to adequately describe this shower of shit government and their fucking around with kids' lives.

Here's a polite request for Justine Greening:

Do you not think that it might possibly be a good idea to listen rather more to the teachers and have a look at the objective evidence before making decisions? I know you probably don't get much of a say but really yours is not a good look for parents, who by the way do have votes.

My ds got an offer for a highly selective 6th form today. They are obviously regarding a 4 as a pass........

Technically 1, 2 and 3 are passes too. They will henceforth be referred to as 'crap passes'. 6 will be an extra-strong pass, 7 and 8 will be superstrong and superstrongest passes, and 9 will be überstrong.

But where does passing the Ebacc get you? Who requires it? Employers? Surely the Progress 8 measure is what the schools are focusing on for their league tables?

I don't know how they are actually going to fit all these new columns on the league tables.

Will a 4 or 5 actually mean higher standards than an old C?
For example does a 4 or 5 equate to more material having been leant than for old foundation paper C. Alternatively are the questions more testing of understanding?
Or is it just harder to get 6 to 9 ( from what can be guessed with the specimen papers?

And 10 will be a MN pass

And 10 will be a MN pass

No. It will be a 9 when they are 9.

Bertrand "My ds got an offer for a highly selective 6th form today"

My Ds is now at university so some of these arguments are , for us , behind us in a personal way.

Bertrand May I ask, do you think that selecting at 16 or so is OK , rather than 11. I do not ask to be contentious, simply interested. My son went to a selective school at 13 And it was private so I set myself up for a fall.

"Bertrand May I ask, do you think that selecting at 16 or so is OK , rather than 11"

Yes, I do. A levels are not compulsory. By 16 people are in a position to make informed choices on their own behalf.

But this thread is not about selection. It is about the new GCSEs. I'd rather not derail it. Happy to discuss it with you on a selection thread- there are plenty of them!

Fair point Bertrand

So if the government have now decided that making the pass standard 2/3 grade higher (a 5 in new money) is a bad idea as too many kids wouldn't get it and that actually a 4 should be a pass then what will have been achieved by changing the system except giving a number not a letter as the grade? and totally fucking things up for a lot of DC