Active discussions

Meet the Other Phone. Flexible and made to last.

Meet the Other Phone.
Flexible and made to last.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Talk
Secondary education

Connect with other parents whose children are starting secondary school on this forum.

Original poster

DS struggling with exams (YR 13 aged18)

26 replies

FacDoff · 26/09/2016 23:54

DS does not struggle with homework, lessons or understanding of his chosen A level subjects (maths and sciences).

He does however keep getting ridiculously low marks in tests and exams.

No stress, worries or backstory.

It would seem the knowledge is in there but he just can't express it in his answers!

He's moved on to the new A level system so there aren't any past papers available to try.

Any help, tips or advice would be greatly appreciated.

TIA

OP posts:
a7mints · 26/09/2016 23:55

Do the old a level papers.

a7mints · 26/09/2016 23:57

What subjects is he doing? I think the answer is different depending on whether it is sciences or humanities

choirmumoftwo · 27/09/2016 00:01

No advice really, but my sympathy as my DS is the same. He performs well in class, always completes and submits homework on time and his coursework is fine, but he struggles in exams. He's taking all essay based subjects as well. We just keep plugging away doing practice questions. He is getting better.

Original poster
FacDoff · 27/09/2016 00:02

He's doing Physics, Biology and Maths.

He's convinced he's going to fail.

He's being tutored in all 3 subjects in addition to regular classes.

Feedback from all is good, he just evidently can't do exams Angry

OP posts:
Original poster
FacDoff · 27/09/2016 00:03

Choir

How are you feeling?
I'm just so gutted for him. He genuinely couldn't work any harder Sad

OP posts:
titchy · 27/09/2016 07:46

What did he get in AS maths? Is he resitting papers?

There are plenty of specimen papers for Physics and Biology btw, and Maths hasn't changed for his year group so again plenty of papers. What have school said?

Has his tutor sat next to him while he attempts a paper to see what is going on?

Needmoresleep · 27/09/2016 07:47

Has he been screened for dyslexia. DD is dyslexic and her exam performance is almost always below class performance.

Original poster
FacDoff · 27/09/2016 07:51

Titchy
AS maths grade C, resorting C1 & C2.
Predicted a B - needs an A.

Need
No, very competent reader and writer and never had any concerns.
Might be worth looking into though, will try anything!

OP posts:
titchy · 27/09/2016 08:07

Well I wouldn't call a C 'can't do exams'! He clearly CAN, just isn't getting the grades he needs.

Practice practice practice.

Have you got copies of his AS papers to see where he slipped up?

Bluntly - if you have three tutors, university may not be the right destination...

LIZS · 27/09/2016 08:23

He could have a processing issue, or he could just struggle with exam technique. If the knowledge is there maybe ask tutor to focus on time management and analysing what the questions are specifically looking for. Has he had y12 exams and received feedback?

Original poster
FacDoff · 27/09/2016 08:28

Titchy - school have confirmed there are no specimen papers for the current syllabus and Mark scheme.

He's going to ask the tutor to "supervise" a paper.

Copies of the test papers have been requested.

The tutors have only been employed for 3 weeks - a last ditch attempt to improve grades.
He's also looking at the forces and apprenticeships.

He has been schooled (by school, a small independent, that Uni is the final destination!)

Liz - thank you for that. I did wonder if this might be the case.
He only sat the maths paper as its modular and the subject he dropped.

OP posts:
LooseAtTheSeams · 27/09/2016 09:07

Is it exam technique? Does he finish the papers? Does he spend too long on questions with fewer marks and rush the more complicated ones? or is it panic? The best thing is to do practice questions (old papers, revision books, doesn't matter) under strict timed conditions. The tutor then marks the question and they analyse it together. It should become clear whether it's lack of understanding, misunderstanding the question or something else.
I'm not a scientist but I hear that biology in particular looks for very specific vocabulary - and he may be struggling with this, in which case I think a tutor who picks up on this would be a big help to him.

Original poster
FacDoff · 27/09/2016 14:50

Loose - yes, I think it's technique.
One teacher has said today, there's nothing she can help with as DS doesn't struggling with "anything in particular"

Time management in exams doesn't seem to be a problem, he always answers all questions and has time for checking.

Definitely going to try the tutor and exam papers.

Thanks to all for you input Wine

OP posts:
chocolateworshipper · 27/09/2016 17:21

I would definitely get him screened for dyslexia. Until my DD was screened, I had no idea that dyslexia was so broad. DD was always way ahead in reading age and has neat handwriting, but she is significantly below average in cognitive processing and therefore struggles to get ideas down on paper. She was given a scribe and the quality of her work was significantly improved. Do NOT let the school / college fob you off.

curryandrice · 27/09/2016 17:40

If he has slow processing/dyslexia this would explain the mismatch between class work and exam work. Depending on their profile, students with these sort of difficulties may be entitled to extra time, a reader and/or a scribe. Applications for access arrangements such as this have to be in by Feb 2017 (I think) for the May/June exams so if he is going to be assessed, you really need to get it done this term - possibly privately as time is limited - and then ensure that the school follow the recommendations.

Original poster
FacDoff · 27/09/2016 17:45

Thank you Chocolate.

He's saying he's not dyslexic...
There is another boy who is and apparently had neither a scribe nor extra time.

I'll have a chat with his Dad later.

OP posts:
Original poster
FacDoff · 27/09/2016 17:45

Cross post Curry - thank you for that info Smile

OP posts:
chocolateworshipper · 27/09/2016 17:55

Just because someone else doesn't get any help for dyslexia, doesn't mean that your son won't. It really is incredibly broad. It can range from just needing a coloured overlay to needing a scribe (or assistive technology) and 25% extra time.

Original poster
FacDoff · 27/09/2016 18:15

I know that Chocolate, DS is just being a stubborn git Wink

OP posts:
chocolateworshipper · 27/09/2016 19:23

Lol - shame there is no assistance for stubborn teens Wink

curryandrice · 27/09/2016 19:36

It might help if you make him aware that there is no link between intelligence and slow processing or dyslexia. Individuals can be competent readers and still have dyslexia.

My DD got 10 A/A* at GCSE - when she sat her GCSEs, we did not realise that she was dyslexic but were aware that she had to work much harder than her friends to get the same results. Her A level English teacher suggested that she should be assessed for dyslexia and we were surprised to find that she was severely dyslexic and qualifies for a reader, a scribe or laptop and 25% extra time. She doesn't use either a reader or scribe but does have the extra time and a separate room (she finds it helpful to read aloud). She also qualified for DSA of £3k when she went to uni.

Original poster
FacDoff · 27/09/2016 20:41

Curry & Chocolate
(Now that's a combo!)

Thank you both Flowers

OP posts:
d270r0 · 27/09/2016 22:06

I'm a maths teacher- so can help you with the maths at least.

The most common way that students lose marks in exams are because they do not fully write down the working, or write it down incorrectly. Many marks in A level are given for the working. Other questions might be worth 6 marks, if they make a tiny error and put 6.4 instead of 6.5, and no working is shown, thery would get 0 of those 6 marks. However, if they wrote down every single thing they did, showing what they added, integrated, etc. then even if the answer is wrong, they might still get 4 marks.
They are a number of students who just don't do this, you can tell them over and over again but they won't do it. They think it doesn't matter but it makes a massive difference.

Don't get hung up about the new A level. Go on edexcel site and find some past papers and mark schemes. Doesn't matter if they're a bit different, he needs to get into the habit of answering the questions correctly, showing everything. Just find some on topics hes done. He needs to really read through the mark schemes so he can see what marks are given for what.

d270r0 · 27/09/2016 22:06

I'm a maths teacher- so can help you with the maths at least.

The most common way that students lose marks in exams are because they do not fully write down the working, or write it down incorrectly. Many marks in A level are given for the working. Other questions might be worth 6 marks, if they make a tiny error and put 6.4 instead of 6.5, and no working is shown, thery would get 0 of those 6 marks. However, if they wrote down every single thing they did, showing what they added, integrated, etc. then even if the answer is wrong, they might still get 4 marks.
They are a number of students who just don't do this, you can tell them over and over again but they won't do it. They think it doesn't matter but it makes a massive difference.

Don't get hung up about the new A level. Go on edexcel site and find some past papers and mark schemes. Doesn't matter if they're a bit different, he needs to get into the habit of answering the questions correctly, showing everything. Just find some on topics hes done. He needs to really read through the mark schemes so he can see what marks are given for what.

Original poster
FacDoff · 27/09/2016 22:09

Great stuff d27, thanks!

OP posts: