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BTECs at college - Support thread 2

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TeenAndTween · 19/08/2016 11:45

Following on from the 2015 thread to inform and support each other through the ups and downs of BTECs. Mainly aimed at y12/13 level, but BTECs alongside GCSEs more than welcome too. Plus anyone just considering BTECs and wanting information.

What I learned last year:

You have to hit the ground running as the very first piece of work may well count towards your final grade

DD's course has 3 options like this.

Subsidiary Diploma - 9 units (1 year, 9 units (5 units, then 4 more))
Diploma - 12 units total (2 year, 6 units each year)
Extended Diploma 18 units total (2 year, 9 units each year, 5 in first half of year, 4 in second half)

DD is doing the Diploma (2 A level equivalent), but the college ensures that they do all the 4 'compulsory' units in the first year so if someone drops out they can still qualify for the Subsidiary Diploma (1 A level equivalent?).

You pretty much have to pass every single unit in order to pass the whole thing. There are limited opportunities to re-submit, but there are some. The Pass criteria for DD's course are quite straightforward (if you can structure things properly which DD struggles with). The Merit criteria are harder, and the Distinction criteria need a good level of analysis (that DD doesn't have).

Each unit is made up of a number of Pass, Merit and Distinction criteria. To reach each level you have to meet all the criteria at that level. So if on your first assignment for a unit you miss a Merit criteria, you can't get higher than a pass for the unit (as far as I understand).

Each unit gives you a number of Points. For DD mainly it is 70 for a pass, 80 for a Merit and 90 for a Distinction. To Pass the whole thing she would need 12x70 points - 840, equivalent to EE A level grades. To get CC equivalent she needs 920 minimum. To get AA she would need 1000 points.

DD has up to 3 teachers at any time, each teaching a unit. They teach a bit, and then set an assignment. For a week or 2 they don't teach in some lessons and they use the time to get on with the assignment. Then more teaching and second assignment. Around 4 assignments per unit.

What you don't have to do is 'extra' exam practice, question practice etc. So all work is pretty much set. The students don't have to work out extras. (However exactly what is required for some criteria is about as clear as mud, and DD seems to get little/no feedback on assignments to help her improve for future ones. Sometimes there seem to be implicit requirements that DD doesn't catch on about.)

Disclaimer. I don't know if all BTECs are like DD's !

A couple of useful tables for reference:

Table showing UCAS points

A level equivalent UCAS

And finally the Pearson BTEC site from where you can find specs, unit descriptions, and pass/merit/distinction criteria.

(Praying for less of a roller-coaster this year).

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Just5minswithDacre · 26/08/2016 14:20

Has she ever had her processing speeds measured Teen?

WilfSell · 26/08/2016 14:25

draylon PT data entry jobs? Call centre?

No doubt he will HATE it, but it would give him a chance to assess how IT systems work in practice?

TeenAndTween · 26/08/2016 15:10

Just
Yes, her processing speeds are slow. She gets 25% extra time in exams (plus word processor). Turned her Spanish into a 3hr marathon though, which given she struggles to concentrate for more than 20mins is a big ask. (Why the listening can't be separate is beyond me as they have to hand in the earphones after a fixed time anyway).

College have just done a U turn compared with last term, and said she can do the extra T&T units. Smile (Plus she can retake the Spanish without further lessons if she wants. This could be feasible, she can't go down from a U after all)

Why couldn't they have just said that initially though?!

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Just5minswithDacre · 26/08/2016 15:13

If processing speed issues aren't a reason not to pack the timetable out, I don't know what is as I keep saying closer to home to no avail

TeenAndTween · 26/08/2016 15:19

It's all to do with funding I think ...

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Just5minswithDacre · 26/08/2016 15:26

But SN should get you an exception to that.

Draylon · 26/08/2016 16:10

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TeenAndTween · 26/08/2016 16:28

Yes, Draylon all on the same page would be good.

We have been discussing options with DD based on what they told us last term.

Now we have to start again and discuss a whole load of new options, with 2 weeks to go until term starts (and DD2 very apprehensive about starting secondary and needing my time and attention and not getting it because DD1 sucks so much of it away).

Can we wave a magic wand and skip to this time next year please?

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Just5minswithDacre · 26/08/2016 17:31

You could just get really really drunk Grin

Won't last a year, though.

TeenAndTween · 26/08/2016 17:42
Wine Now there's an idea Grin
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GasLightShining · 26/08/2016 19:37

Forget it for tonight, have a drink (or drinks) and think about it again tomorrow.

I think it could be a funding issue. I remember my DD wanting to give a subject up and the college wouldn't allow it. I do agree with Draylon - I thought I had read somewhere that allowances could be made for students with SN

Just5minswithDacre · 26/08/2016 20:05

Sometimes writing cuts more ice than phoning.

GasLightShining · 26/08/2016 20:19

Thankfully uni wasn't dependent on GCSE English as he got a D. He is a bit gutted.

Parky04 · 27/08/2016 00:03

Hi all.

My DS will also be starting a level 3 extended diploma in Computing as well as Level 3 core maths and the extended project. This thread has been very useful as I had no understanding on how BTEC'S worked!

Draylon · 27/08/2016 00:19

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Parky04 · 27/08/2016 08:50

DS is going to UTC in Reading. Level 3 core maths is a newish qualification that is equivalent to an AS level. The EP is also equivalent to an AS level. A lot of hard work but he is crazy about computers and wants a career in them.

UTC has had bad press around the country but the one at Reading is the only one which has been rated outstanding by Ofsted. The college also has very close links with Microsoft, Cisco amongst others and a lot of the pupils from last year were successful in securing apprenticeship roles.

Just5minswithDacre · 27/08/2016 11:32

Gas sorry to hear it. Will he have another go?

GasLightShining · 29/08/2016 19:39

Thanks Just

He has Functional Skills but my concern is that some future employers may not accept this.

I think he should try and retake but he will be at uni and caught up with all of that.

sashh · 30/08/2016 03:14

Anyone any ideas whatsoever what sort of PT job he might look for?

Anything that involves IT but get him to read up a bit on HCI (human computer interaction) and make some notes so it can be included in a PS or interview.

HCI looks at humans, hardware and software as three parts of the same system, you can change any of them but it is easier for the human if the system is 'intuitive', so for many years it was counter intuitive to have to go to the 'start' on a windows system in order to switch a PC off, but as windows was everywhere humans had been 'trained' to use the start key.

The reason ATMs give you your card back before cash is because if they don't people walk away without the card.

So if he can analyse a system and say what is good and bad about it, whether it is a pizza order, a web site or a booking system doesn't matter the skill is in the analysis.

eatyourveg · 30/08/2016 08:36

Sorry to hear about the English Gas he does at least have the L2 FS which should suffice with any future employer and of course it will be his degree that they will be interested in if he is going to head for a career in the industry

GasLightShining · 31/08/2016 07:59

Thanks eat

EllenJanethickerknickers · 31/08/2016 19:46

Well, enrolment today at college and already a minor cock up. Enrolment took nearly 2 hours with 10 different steps, 10 different people to see with their computers and paperwork. All going swimmingly until finance people who booked him into a subsidiary diploma rather than a diploma. Stupidly I didn't notice until I got home, too much paperwork. DS has ASD and an EHCP and wouldn't have noticed if they'd been in fancy dress!

So he's got a timetable, which just says level 3 software development, but that could be the subsidiary diploma or the regular one. I've no idea if the timetable is right now. He should be staring on Wed next week but I'm back at work by then.

It all seems quite minor and I'm sure we'll get it sorted but he needs this major transition to go smoothly. Now he's stressing that he's on the wrong course and he doesn't know when he's supposed to start or his timetable. Even the fees are different.

I have rung them but the student support lady who answered couldn't sort it and someone was going to ring me back and didn't. I go back to work tomorrow. I work in a school and it's pretty full on all day and I can't get time off, especially in September. I've just had 5 weeks off! Aargh.

I hope this isn't the start of how it's going to be...

Draylon · 01/09/2016 12:12

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EllenJanethickerknickers · 01/09/2016 15:24

Draylon, I went with DS and still couldn't think of anything to ask. Maybe what are they supposed to do in their 'free' time. There seems to be a lot. First lesson at 11.50am on 2 days. Should they go in earlier and work or can they rock up at 11.49? I know what DS would prefer!

It sounds like his course has been corrected but student services couldn't tell me if his timetable had changed. They couldn't produce a new one or email it to us. Oh well...

Draylon · 01/09/2016 16:13

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