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BTECs at college - Support thread 2

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TeenAndTween · 19/08/2016 11:45

Following on from the 2015 thread to inform and support each other through the ups and downs of BTECs. Mainly aimed at y12/13 level, but BTECs alongside GCSEs more than welcome too. Plus anyone just considering BTECs and wanting information.

What I learned last year:

You have to hit the ground running as the very first piece of work may well count towards your final grade

DD's course has 3 options like this.

Subsidiary Diploma - 9 units (1 year, 9 units (5 units, then 4 more))
Diploma - 12 units total (2 year, 6 units each year)
Extended Diploma 18 units total (2 year, 9 units each year, 5 in first half of year, 4 in second half)

DD is doing the Diploma (2 A level equivalent), but the college ensures that they do all the 4 'compulsory' units in the first year so if someone drops out they can still qualify for the Subsidiary Diploma (1 A level equivalent?).

You pretty much have to pass every single unit in order to pass the whole thing. There are limited opportunities to re-submit, but there are some. The Pass criteria for DD's course are quite straightforward (if you can structure things properly which DD struggles with). The Merit criteria are harder, and the Distinction criteria need a good level of analysis (that DD doesn't have).

Each unit is made up of a number of Pass, Merit and Distinction criteria. To reach each level you have to meet all the criteria at that level. So if on your first assignment for a unit you miss a Merit criteria, you can't get higher than a pass for the unit (as far as I understand).

Each unit gives you a number of Points. For DD mainly it is 70 for a pass, 80 for a Merit and 90 for a Distinction. To Pass the whole thing she would need 12x70 points - 840, equivalent to EE A level grades. To get CC equivalent she needs 920 minimum. To get AA she would need 1000 points.

DD has up to 3 teachers at any time, each teaching a unit. They teach a bit, and then set an assignment. For a week or 2 they don't teach in some lessons and they use the time to get on with the assignment. Then more teaching and second assignment. Around 4 assignments per unit.

What you don't have to do is 'extra' exam practice, question practice etc. So all work is pretty much set. The students don't have to work out extras. (However exactly what is required for some criteria is about as clear as mud, and DD seems to get little/no feedback on assignments to help her improve for future ones. Sometimes there seem to be implicit requirements that DD doesn't catch on about.)

Disclaimer. I don't know if all BTECs are like DD's !

A couple of useful tables for reference:

Table showing UCAS points

A level equivalent UCAS

And finally the Pearson BTEC site from where you can find specs, unit descriptions, and pass/merit/distinction criteria.

(Praying for less of a roller-coaster this year).

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Draylon · 23/08/2016 10:30

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sashh · 23/08/2016 11:06

Draylon you sound like an excellent mother

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HSMMaCM · 23/08/2016 11:23

Draylon I seem to have repeated conversations with DD about making choices she can live with. We have had the same debate about braces. DD loves her straight teeth, but doesn't seem to make the connection.

AS results after not enough work - they don't affect me, only DD. Record and repeat.

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Oliversmumsarmy · 23/08/2016 11:47

Only know about btecs because dd's friends are doing them in MT.
I was under the impression that they were the equivalent of 2 A levels so LadyPernelope's son doing 2 btecs and 2 A levels is like doing 6 A Levels.

Dd is doing a 1 year intensive course with emphasis on her chosen subject. She would have gone straight into the diploma course but family issues arose. She had 2 colleges both offering scholarships for her who have said she can join next year in year 2.
Dds field of work depends on her abilities rather than how many qualifications she has. Which suits dd as she never wants to pick up a pen again

TeenAndTween · 23/08/2016 11:57

Oliversmum BTECs can be 1, 2 or 3 A level equivalent depending on what the course is and what options the college offers.

e.g. My DD is doing a Diploma in Travel & Tourism which is 2 A level 'equivalent'. Some people are doing the Extended Diploma which is 3 A level.

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cricketballs · 23/08/2016 11:58

Draylon - I've PM'd you

FozzieMK · 23/08/2016 12:18

Apparently which units are chosen in Y2 will depend to a certain extent what the DC want to do!

One thing to keep in mind is what happened to my DD, the second year units of choice are dependent on the teachers available that can actually teach them! Due to a lot of the teachers leaving in the Computing Dept after the first year, my DD had to take the units the only 2 remaining teachers could teach. Luckily she received her results last week of D D D* so this didn't have too much of an impact on her and she is going on to study Business Computing at Uni.

Oliversmumsarmy · 23/08/2016 12:20

As I have said I only know about the MT ones and they = 2 A levels

GasLightShining · 23/08/2016 13:40

That's brilliant Fozzie.

On the braces front so far I am lucky that my DS is wearing his retainer religiously as he has seen what DD's are like because she didn't.

Draylon As I have said before the second year is better as the disruptive students leave or are not allowed back on. While waiting for that he must try and rise above it.

sashh · 23/08/2016 13:52

As I have said I only know about the MT ones and they = 2 A levels

I'm not sure what your point is, BTEC Level 3 comes in 5 different sizes, you only know about one size and ...

They have been around much longer than GCSEs

BTW what is MT?

Oliversmumsarmy · 23/08/2016 14:00

musical Theatre. Dd's school only ever did 1/2 the week dedicated to academics the other half was solely Singing dancing drama. Business studies, geography and academics in general passed us by

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WilfSell · 23/08/2016 15:35

Hello. Can I join you all here? DS has thoroughly fucked up his AS levels, so it looks like he'll be transferring to the BTEC route. It isn't all black and white yet - college have offered him the option of continuing to A2, on the grounds he sits in on the AS classes again, but he is VERY against this because it will mean ACTUAL hard work as opposed to the BUGGER ALL he did all year apparently. DH and I keep pointing out - are we right? - that the continuous assessment element of BTEC will be just as hard if not harder to sustain.

Anyone else in a similar position? I'm so fed up with him: he's a really bright kid who won't ask for or take advice, won't read course information, won't ask tutors for guidance, thinks he knows it all, thinks he can wing things just like he did at GCSE. But he has no idea what he wants to do as a job - which isn't unusual I know - but it means he has zero motivation to make a definitive choice.

Relations are pretty tense in our house right now, as me and his dad say - er, if you think you'll be carrying on with your full social and sporting life and no intervention from us ever, while deluding yourself/us about the amount of studying you'll be doing etc... while he says 'all this has nothing to do with you, I get to decide how I study and by the way I get two days 'off' per week Hmm

Please help me manage this transition before WW3 breaks out?

EllenJanethickerknickers · 23/08/2016 17:56

Wilf, my friend's DS transferred to a BTEC in sports after dismal AS results, when his school sixth form wouldn't let him stay on for A2s. He really enjoyed the BTEC and has got a place at university (non RG, ex poly) to do sports science. His BTEC took 2 years and was equivalent to 3 A levels. He did have to put some work in but as it's continuously assessed at least you find out pretty quickly if he's meeting the grade.

Just5minswithDacre · 23/08/2016 18:19

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Just5minswithDacre · 23/08/2016 18:31

Does everybody agree in general about BTECs being more dyspraxia-friendly?

DC2 is trying to finalise her course choice and I'm just pondering that side of it.

Just5minswithDacre · 23/08/2016 18:32

Congratulations to your DD Fozzie! Smile

EllenJanethickerknickers · 23/08/2016 19:40

It depends how good your DC is at revision, really. My DS with ASD is rubbish at organising himself to do revision, so assignments that come along regularly throughout the course will work better for him. I'm hoping college will help him a bit with organising himself as he goes along. I think it'll be easier to spot if he's struggling earlier as well.

TeenAndTween · 23/08/2016 19:46

Just5 dyspraxia-friendly - it depends I think Smile

My DD has dyspraxia.

She struggles with including everything required in her assignments. In an A level essay, if you include say 80% of expected info you will get half marks or more. In her BTEC, unless she includes 100% of required items she doesn't meet the pass criteria. She seems unable to take the list from the module description, turn it into headers, and fill in each section. It is very depressing for all concerned. We and college now check her structures before she writes content to ensure everything is going to be included.

On the other hand, no way would she have coped with the level of non-directed work and independent thinking skills required for a bunch a essay based A levels. Also, I directed revision for GCSE, she wouldn't be able to manage that alone for A levels.

Organisationally the BTEC work is more clearly directed I think than it would be for A levels. She doesn't have to 'invent' work for herself, e.g. reading around the subject, or making revision notes, so that is easier.

But for exams she got 25% extra time. She still needs extra time for her BTEC work really, but that just means more hours out of lessons as each assignment takes longer for her (processing issues, but also distractibility/concentration).

So on balance yes more dyspraxia friendly I think, but not a walk in the park by any means!

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TeenAndTween · 23/08/2016 19:49

Wilf - You might get on with Draylon I think Smile
What BTECs are you considering?

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Just5minswithDacre · 23/08/2016 20:04

But for exams she got 25% extra time. She still needs extra time for her BTEC work really, but that just means more hours out of lessons as each assignment takes longer for her (processing issues, but also distractibility/concentration).

So on balance yes more dyspraxia friendly I think, but not a walk in the park by any means!

So like bite sized pieces but coming along constantly on a fairly rapid conveyer belt, then?

The processing speed issue is a double edged sword, isn't it?

TeenAndTween · 23/08/2016 20:49

So like bite sized pieces but coming along constantly on a fairly rapid conveyer belt, then?

Yup that's it.

(Sometimes she has 3 assignments at once, and then she needs help planning so as not to get overwhelmed. Then lulls where no assignments and she's twiddling her thumbs. Just a bit unpredictable really.)

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FozzieMK · 24/08/2016 12:39

Thank you GasLight and Just5. My DD struggled with GCSE's getting mostly C's and D's. In fact her headmistress told us that she would 'never set the world alight'. We are astounded that she has done so well in her BTEC, she has social anxiety issues so I can only think that the 'adult' environment of a college and the study of one subject (apart from a maths GCSE retake) has suited her. I also think the independent nature of the Computing assignment work and the longer submission time compared with school along with the hands-off approach of the tutors has suited her much more. The only downside we are finding is that the classes at college and uni are mainly comprised of boys and she desperately needs a female friend!