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BTECs at college - Support thread 2

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TeenAndTween · 19/08/2016 11:45

Following on from the 2015 thread to inform and support each other through the ups and downs of BTECs. Mainly aimed at y12/13 level, but BTECs alongside GCSEs more than welcome too. Plus anyone just considering BTECs and wanting information.

What I learned last year:

You have to hit the ground running as the very first piece of work may well count towards your final grade

DD's course has 3 options like this.

Subsidiary Diploma - 9 units (1 year, 9 units (5 units, then 4 more))
Diploma - 12 units total (2 year, 6 units each year)
Extended Diploma 18 units total (2 year, 9 units each year, 5 in first half of year, 4 in second half)

DD is doing the Diploma (2 A level equivalent), but the college ensures that they do all the 4 'compulsory' units in the first year so if someone drops out they can still qualify for the Subsidiary Diploma (1 A level equivalent?).

You pretty much have to pass every single unit in order to pass the whole thing. There are limited opportunities to re-submit, but there are some. The Pass criteria for DD's course are quite straightforward (if you can structure things properly which DD struggles with). The Merit criteria are harder, and the Distinction criteria need a good level of analysis (that DD doesn't have).

Each unit is made up of a number of Pass, Merit and Distinction criteria. To reach each level you have to meet all the criteria at that level. So if on your first assignment for a unit you miss a Merit criteria, you can't get higher than a pass for the unit (as far as I understand).

Each unit gives you a number of Points. For DD mainly it is 70 for a pass, 80 for a Merit and 90 for a Distinction. To Pass the whole thing she would need 12x70 points - 840, equivalent to EE A level grades. To get CC equivalent she needs 920 minimum. To get AA she would need 1000 points.

DD has up to 3 teachers at any time, each teaching a unit. They teach a bit, and then set an assignment. For a week or 2 they don't teach in some lessons and they use the time to get on with the assignment. Then more teaching and second assignment. Around 4 assignments per unit.

What you don't have to do is 'extra' exam practice, question practice etc. So all work is pretty much set. The students don't have to work out extras. (However exactly what is required for some criteria is about as clear as mud, and DD seems to get little/no feedback on assignments to help her improve for future ones. Sometimes there seem to be implicit requirements that DD doesn't catch on about.)

Disclaimer. I don't know if all BTECs are like DD's !

A couple of useful tables for reference:

Table showing UCAS points

A level equivalent UCAS

And finally the Pearson BTEC site from where you can find specs, unit descriptions, and pass/merit/distinction criteria.

(Praying for less of a roller-coaster this year).

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MirabelleTree · 28/04/2017 13:14

Fabulous news T&T ! DD also has dyspraxia and hasn't started yet as is really scared. She is sort of talking about trying in the autumn. As I'm about to drive and pick her up from work again, I really hope so !

TeenAndTween · 28/04/2017 13:26

We definitely made the right decision to get a cheap automatic for her. It has simplified what she needs to do, leaving her just about enough processing power for the observation stuff.

We also found that lots of shorter sessions were better as she can't focus for a 2 hour lesson.

DH taught her with only 3 or 4 proper lessons to make sure we were doing it right. Mainly because we couldn't find an automatic instructor. But the car we got accidentally had dual controls which helped a lot.

Even with it being an automatic, she still needed ~80hrs of driving. She was motivated to learn and we are pleased she managed it as we did have concerns it might be beyond her. DH now needs to sort the insurance again.

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MirabelleTree · 28/04/2017 13:50

Huge achievement in my book, a huge well done to her! DD will be learning on an automatic, I think I have found a lady instructor who does automatics. She's going away for the summer but really hoping she will try when back. I'm prepared for it to be a longhaul...

TeenAndTween · 10/05/2017 12:05

How are we all doing?

DD is on work experience last week and this as part of her course. It is only 5 hours a day and she is exhausted and too tired to drive home (see above) at 3pm! So we are driving her there and back as it's in the middle of nowhere.

Really getting on to a count down to the end of college now. Grade for this year all to play for, could be a Pass, Merit (hopefully) or Distinction (vv unlikely).

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HSMMaCM · 10/05/2017 17:47

DD has finished her dance for camera module. I think the film deserves a distinction, so hopefully the examiners will agree. If she gets it, then she has a distinction for btec dance.

EllenJanethickerknickers · 10/05/2017 18:10

It's all a bit of a mystery to me. DS is pottering along but his college is very (very) slow at marking his stuff. He's completed 6 of his 9 units for this year and is working on the last 3 but he's only had results on 3 of them, mostly averaging at merit. I'm not sure what happens next year, whether he just automaticlly goes on to year 2 or whether he has to enroll again. I'm hoping there'll be enough taking Y2 to have the course run in the campus in our town.

Well done, TAT's DD. I haven't contemplated lessons for DS2 yet. He has ASD and is pretty dyspraxic but can Mario Cart really well! Wink

HSMMaCM · 11/05/2017 07:45

Btec dance is finished and lets just say DD is VERY happy Grin. This is likely to be her best result, so I just have to keep her motivated through her A levels now.

Parky04 · 13/05/2017 14:13

DS (year 12) has two exams for computing in the next few weeks. Both are being marked externally. He seems to be pretty relaxed about them. DS also has his driving test in June!

TeenAndTween · 15/05/2017 19:10

Well done HSMs DD

I've come on for a rant. As part of DD's course they have to organise an 'entertainment'. Her group were organising an activity for some students doing/retaking GCSEs (at the request of those students). She had done a lot towards it and had good feedback. Now it has been cancelled as 'not enough signed up'. It was one of her better chances of getting a distinction for a unit. The proposed replacement will be much harder to show the necessary skills (and means the work she did before was wasted).
This is on top of them taking them on a trip to somewhere else for a different unit which couldn't provide the necessary information needed to meet higher scoring criteria.
Grrr.

On the plus side, work experience went well.

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eatyourveg · 15/05/2017 19:33

Don't despair T&T - ds also had an event fall through when he did his btec - as long as your dd can explain what she did and what happened and how she used that to shape how the replacement was organised then she should still be on course for the distinction - I know its not what she wanted but using that experience is actually valuable not wasted as it shows that she knows how to recover/adapt and factor in unforseen circumstances

TeenAndTween · 15/05/2017 19:38

eat I want you to be right, but DD is under the impression the stuff she has already done will be wasted. I guess we shall see later whether that's true or not.

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Draylon · 25/05/2017 10:23

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TeenAndTween · 25/05/2017 12:05

It is a bit of a fog isn't it?

(Has he done his driving test yet?)

For DDs Dploma she can score 70 (P) 80 (M) or 90 (D) for each unit.
She has 12 units in all so a theoretical maximum of 1080 marks.

To get PP she has to get minimum 840 (ie averaging a Pass in everything). Then it goes up 880=MP, 920=MM, 960=DM and so on. As we stand today DD should get MM but in theory could only get MP or if all resubs are good enough could get DM (highly unlikely).

Your DSs will be similar so depending on grades on each unit he will get a set number of marks (and no inbetween value for just missing something) and there will be similar boundaries when everything is totted up. No idea how the exams fit in though! It will be in the specification for the course on the Pearson website (if this is one of their qualifications)

Term officially finishes on 7 July but we are expecting her to be pretty much done by 16th June with maybe some going in to sign off paperwork and a resubmission on final assignment which will only be due ~16 June. She doesn't have any exams. Counting down the days here!

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TeenAndTween · 25/05/2017 12:06

I think everything has to be in to the awarding body by 1st July.

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cricketballs · 25/05/2017 19:59

Draylon I take it given your DS has done an exam he is in his first year (new spec); if so he can sit all the externally assessed units twice with the highest grade being claimed.

The new specs are harder to keep track of as the units have different weightings towards the final grade. Looking at the CS spec, there are a number of 120 GLH, 90 and 60 GLH units.

Rather than go through it all on this post if you check from page 279 from the spec then you can see how it is worked out.

Personally I would tell your DS to check with his college as they should have some tracking available for him to see his progress through the units and the points he is building up

BTECs at college - Support thread 2
TeenAndTween · 25/05/2017 20:15

( Draylon If you can't find it on 279 try from 269 onwards)

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HSMMaCM · 06/06/2017 08:35

I'm confused about the ucas site. It seems that A level results go to them automatically, but not all btecs do? Does anyone know about this?

TeenAndTween · 06/06/2017 08:49

UCAS - not a clue sorry, not on our horizon. Smile

DD reckons next Monday is her last day she definitely has to be in, and after that it is just for any resubmissions and final paperwork.

She came home yesterday to tell us the assignment she completed over the half term needed more work because she and 2 others hadn't been given a relevant help sheet and it hadn't been put up online either. Hmm Just another tale in iffy organisation. Oh, and she's not allowed to resubmit another assignment in order to try to get the grade up either. Hmm. Whereas because loads of the class hadn't done much work the actually submission date has been pushed back despite them saying no way would it be moved. HmmHmmHmm

Still hopeful she'll have done enough to get the Merit for the year as another much more helpful teacher looked over something and said on a skim read it looked like it met the distinction standard, which is what she needs for the overall merit.

Overall this 2 years has not been a happy experience. Whether that is down to DD, the course or the college, I'm not really sure. I think an unhappy combination of all 3.

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HSMMaCM · 06/06/2017 11:08

T&T you have my sympathies. This was our experience with drama A level.

teadrinker1 · 08/06/2017 21:38

my son has reached the end of y12 with little hope of getting the needed grades for sports science at uni. He is thinking of restarting the year and doing the BTEC extended diploma in sport (level 3) His school would like him to carry on with A Level PE and do just part of the BTEC (one year) I don't know what to think! Can anyone shed any light on this. Uni's appear to accept BTEC DMM or A level BBC. But not a combination. Thanks for any advice you can give.

eatyourveg · 08/06/2017 21:58

teadrinker ds3 did the extended diploma in sport instead of staying on at school to do A levels - by far the best route to uni for him as he can't stand the pressure of exams. He got D D D which qualifies him for an academic scholarship when he goes off in September after his gap year whereas had he stayed on at school he would definitley not made the entry requirement.

Just looked up his uni and SES courses all state that they accept a combination of btec and A levels. Loughborough SES offer states they accept btecs with A levels

TeenAndTween · 08/06/2017 21:59

DISCLAIMER I have no knowledge regarding Sports qualifications

I can see issues with doing A level PE plus BTEC sport as won't there be overlap between the two, so not as good as doing the full Extended BTEC? Seems a bit high risk unless you/he contacts relevant universities and gets their OK upfront.

Also, what are the reasons behind him not succeeding at his A levels? Will they be solved by doing the BTEC instead?

DDs travel & tourism BTEC has been far more writing and far less practical than we were lead to believe anticipated, and to get the higher grades she needed better research and analysis skills than she could manage.
On the other hand it has favoured a steady working approach and time to mull things over, rather than high pressure all or nothing exams.
Some issues over other students being less 'focussed' than I would have expected had she done A levels.

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Draylon · 15/06/2017 13:28

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HSMMaCM · 16/06/2017 22:12

Interesting Draylon. Dd plans to head for uni in September and we're really wondering how much more independent it will make her (or not)

TeenAndTween · 16/06/2017 22:21

DD has handed in her last assignment. It looks as if she has done enough to get Merit-Merit overall. If so, then that's great considering I was worrying at one point she was just going to drop out she was so focussed on BF. I won't properly believe it until I see the certificate though.

Draylon So pleased this year seems to have been successful for your DS1 and it has given him renewed focus. I know how worried you were when he switched.

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