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1st March offer day - anyone else nervous?

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NynaevesSister · 22/02/2016 14:23

I am really sure we will get one of our six. But I just don't know which one. And I am now really worried I put them down in the wrong order. Our first choice had a stabbing incident after applications closed.

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strongswans · 02/03/2016 10:33

Still waiting here!!! Impatiently waiting for the ridiculously slow postman to deliver the news! Will be at least after lunch and judging by the rain probably mid afternoon! Everyone I know found out yesterday, we're the last ones standing. Am going to take us off shopping to distract I think!

tiggytape · 02/03/2016 10:37

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EmpressOfWorry · 02/03/2016 10:57

AmazingD apparently both TA and HA are currently full after Richmond allocated other children living nearer to the two schools, as are all state schools in the Borough. I'm sure that in the next few days there will be movement as people who are holding an offer from a private school will decide to go private.

DD is currently placed 6th on 1st choice wait list, but we will accept another school place in the meantime (which we are happy with) and see what happens.

NynaevesSister · 02/03/2016 11:10

We got out second choice, which was son's first choice, so really happy with that. Will still try for first choice - it is on our doorstep and an excellent fit for son.

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cuckoooo · 02/03/2016 11:33

Thank you tiggytape

sydenhamhiller · 02/03/2016 12:00

Cuckoooo To my shame, we had never visited DS's 2nd choice school (only one open day, and just had 3rd child, very disorganised time). And of course, that is what we were offered.

On one of the many forums (MN or elevenplusforum) someone mentioned they were going to visit Wilson's after getting the offer - they'd just called up and asked. So I was straight on the phone - and there were about 30 parents and boys who - for whatever reason - had not made the Open Day, or just wanted another look.

A few weeks later, we got our first offer, so I called them and asked if we could have another look round, and we had a lovely time just the three of us and 2 lovely Y7s showing us round, and a chat with the Headteacher. So always worth asking I think.

TooMuchOfEverything · 02/03/2016 12:16

Re. visiting schools, my tip is also to go onto their website and read the newsletters. Often you'll discover there are events open to the public, like drama performances etc, and at least this gives you a feel for the school and a bit of familiarisation. Not as good as an official tour, but still helpful.

FATEdestiny · 02/03/2016 12:16

I accepted DDs offer yesterday and in this mornings post I've received a letter from the school detailing introduction days, parental tour dates, summer school and Y7 residential trip in September.

JustAnotherMumAndDad · 02/03/2016 12:34

DS2 got into his number 1 choice as a sibling of older DS1. Unfortunately DD didn't get to her first choice, and is 22nd on the waiting list by virtue of distance :-(. It's a real shame, especially as her number 2 choice that she did get into is actually a lot further away! Last year the distance of the furthest pupil was two miles more than us, but it seems that being born in 2004 was a bad idea, as she's competing with a demographic high in London.

Does anybody think an appeal on the grounds that we'd like the children to travel together (DD's first choice is on the way to DS's school) is worth trying? The school does have an "exceptional pastoral or social need" clause, but I guess it's a bit of a stretch :-)

Oh well, maybe 22nd isn't so bad. Fingers crossed!

NynaevesSister · 02/03/2016 12:38

22nd isn't too bad in London! Especially at this early stage. I am waiting to hear where we are on the waiting list for son's first choice. A friend's son is 200th for the same school in their band!

But overall I am really happy with our second choice. If it wasn't for the fact that the other school is on our doorstep I wouldn't worry about it.

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tiggytape · 02/03/2016 12:48

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NynaevesSister · 02/03/2016 13:08

Would a letter from a medical professional naming the school and giving his needs & the proximity of the school as reasons be grounds for an appeal? I am waiting to hear from the admissions to confirm that the letter was actually received and considered as it was initially sent to the wrong school.

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strongswans · 02/03/2016 13:29

Argh back from shopping and still no post!!! We applied for our 2st choice with medical backing due to proximity but still no where near guaranteed round here. Worth thinking about for an appeal for others though I would think

Lilythewonderdog · 02/03/2016 13:32

For an appeal to be successful you have to prove the selection criteria was not applied correctly. That means finding someone who should have been lower on the list than you but got in and showing them at your appeal.

You can appeal also on medical grounds for a particular school. You would need evidence from medical professionals, not just GP. Ideally you would need a statement which says education at that school is in the best interests. It it worth noting, however that the school place application (here anyway) also has space for you to put medical needs on, so all this evidence should have already been submitted. If it wasn't they probably won't be interested.

Your personal travel arrangements and preferences just won't come into it, sadly.

meditrina · 02/03/2016 13:50

"For an appeal to be successful you have to prove the selection criteria was not applied correctly"

That is more or less the only grounds for a successful appeal when Infant Class Size rules apply (up to and including Year 2, maximum 30 pupils per teacher), when you need to show an error in processing your application which cost your child a place (eg child placed in wrong category, distance measured wrongly). You don't need to identify who benefited from this error when you appeal.

The other permitted grounds for ICS are entrance criteria which breach the admissions code (eg giving priority to a group they are not allowed to prioritise) or a decision so unreasonable, it is perverse (in a legal sort of sense, so things like child protection issues).

All those apply to KS2 and secondary appeals too.

But when ICS rules no longer apply, you can also appeal on 'balance of prejudice' which means you need to demonstrate that the detriment to the school in admitting another pupil is less than the detriment to your child in not going to that school. That can cover quite a range of stuff - so a demonstrably musical child might win an appeal for a school with orchestra, choirs and musical enrichment programme.

Things like convenience of travel to school however don't play a part, unless the pupil has specific mobility issues.

cuckoooo · 02/03/2016 14:16

We are going to go and see the school this Friday and we will meet the head of Year 7.

It was really awkward, apparently I was the only parent that called and asked for a tour. I wasn't expecting that. They asked if they were first choice. They were not, and I was too ashamed to say they were my last choice, so I just said not first, but I didn't say which place!

They lady said that most people had been to the tour in October and most people had put them down as their first choice. AWKWARD!!!! But she ended it very nicely saying they hope we like the school and accept their offer.

TooMuchOfEverything · 02/03/2016 14:50

LOL cuckooo we had a similar awkward moment DURING a school tour! Bumped into a friend who works at the school we were visiting and she asked if we had put the school as 1st choice. Had to reply 'Erm to be honest no' but at least I stopped myself from saying anything else...

maz99 · 02/03/2016 15:41

NynaevesSister - I guess you m st be talking about the school in Dulwich...?

How does your friend already know her son's position on the waiting list?

I would've thought that waiting lists won't be created until the acceptance deadline has passed.

SolidGoldBrass · 02/03/2016 15:51

Argh! We got our first choice, and I emailed an acceptance - and then I thought I would have a look at the school's website again. The Head Teacher was suspended yesterday due to 'allegations having been made'.

No further information is available, so whether it's allegations of mistreating a pupil or pinching the staff tea money and putting it on a horse I have no idea.

I keep telling myself that a) allegations may not be true and b) if he is a wrong'un, better that he goes before DS starts there...

meditrina · 02/03/2016 16:11

If they're unfounded, SGB he'll be back.

If they are upheld, better he's gone before you arrive.

Trouble is, if he returns but the stigma of 'no smoke without fire' lingers.

Can you ask around to find out why? There's bound to be something known. If it turns out to be financial malpractice, or being caught by a pupil shagging the head of the governors over his desk, you might conclude that actually it's not going to mean the school itself is unsuitable.

tiggytape · 02/03/2016 16:28

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simpson · 02/03/2016 16:44

DS is 19th on the waiting list for our first choice (very over subscribed) school. The school office did not seem too hopeful Sad

Mandzi34 · 02/03/2016 17:05

Well we got told that the band our DS would go into the catchment was 0.465! We live 0.97!

NynaevesSister · 02/03/2016 17:09

Yes Maz it is :). I have no idea how they manage the waiting lists. I got my letter today and it seems Southwark automatically put you on the waiting lists for all your higher preference schools so maybe that's just where it is for now and there will be a big change over the next few weeks. Also Southwark assume you have accepted an offer unless you specifically decline.

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SolidGoldBrass · 02/03/2016 17:30

Medetrina: I doubt anyone will tell me anything, will just have to wait and see. I know there are a whole lot of things it could be which are not, actually, too terrible (I work in education/governance and sometimes attend disciplinaries) -maybe it's something like giving his best mate's sister a job at the school instead of advertising it, maybe it's dodgy purchasing procedures or something like that rather than fiddling the assessment figures or the sort of BadStuff that springs to mind.