The most Socially Selective schools in England.

[smokepole]

Here is a list of the most socially selective state schools in England , total no of pupils entitled to free school meals over the last six years. Dept Of Education Characteristics

1. Cranbrook School Kent 5
2. Borlase Grammar Bucks 5
3. Bishop Words Wilts 7
4. Pate's Grammar Gloucs 8
5. Colchester Royal Essex 10
6. Caistor Grammar Lincs 10
7. King Edward Louth Lincs 10
8. Adams Grammar Shrop 11
9. Colchester High Essex 12
10. Kendrick Grammar Berks 12
11. Dr Challinor High Bucks 12

12. Alyesbury Gram Bucks 13 12. Beaconsfield High Bucks 13 12. Newport High Shrop 13 15. Stratford Gram Warks 14 15.Skinners Sch Kent 14 17.Chelmsford High Essex 15 17. Judd Sch Kent 15 17. St Olaves Kent 15 20. Alcester Gram Warks 16 21. Tonbridge Gram Kent 17 22. Kegs Chelms Essex 19 22. Lancaster Girls Lancs 19 24. Skipton High Yorks 20 24. Tunbridge W Gir Kent 20 26 Hockerill Anglo Essex 21 27. Ripon Gram Yorks 22 27. Ermysteds Yorks 22 29. Altrincham Boys Ches 23 30. St Bernards Slough Berks 24

Op: can you clarify - is this fewest FSM of all secondaries, or of selective schools?

Because it is possible that academic selection means fewer pupils from families with proxy markers of deprivation such as FSM. And given that academic success is linked not just to some heritable qualities but very much to early environment, family stability and support for education, it is likely to continue to mean that.

Making exams tutor proof would help a bit.

Auntie Stella.The fewest number of pupils entitled to FSM for all secondary schools (over 500 pupils) for the last six years in England.

Lindy. Sorry I spelt you school wrong , which ever one that is ?.

Dr Challoner's I presume !

My 3 children go to Ripon Grammar school.None of them have been tutored in their lives.We are not posh at all .The school is very down to earth and I would hate anyone reading this thread to be put off applying .

"I'm more at anyone being impressed by Slough."

"Not a nice area is an understament"

You must have had a very cocooned upbringing to be so easily .

When was the last time you visited Slough? Don't know where you come from, but I dare say Slough today is more modern than wherever you are. It certainly has more modern buildings and developments (post 1980's) and I bet, for a start, the Tesco there is easily twice the size of your largest supermarket.

That's not to mention its close proxmity to the world renowned beauties like Eton and Windsor!

And for those who still live in the Victorian times, here’s an update of 21st century Slough!

I know bishops Wordsworth in Salisbury very well indeed and know many parents whose children attend who are entitled to FSM but refuse to claim them and would prefer that nobody at all know they are entitled.

I can think of about 8/9 families amongst my client groups who qualify but don't let on they do.

I was last in Slough on Christmas day peteneras. I am well aware of the big Tesco, next to the road with "bed in sheds" along the whole length (which depite the council identifying with a special plane they can't seem to actually do anything about). I'm not sure that a large supermarket can make up for a range of social problems.

It is close to some nice areas, but I maintain that Slough itself is not nice. It is the most deprived area in Berkshire. There is a huge drug problem too. In fact lots of drug dealing in the parks near to St Bernards Grammar School.

But I'm probably derailing the thread now, apologies OP.

Which of those schools are grammar / academically selective?

Many seem to be in grammar areas - Kent and Bucks. How could this be/
Either grammar areas are by nature, cause or result, inhabited by a wealthier demographic (seems unlikely for Kent), or this shows, roughly (with a disclaimer for being numbers rather than %s) that grammar schools these days are socially selective.

Kegs and cchs have pupils from London. Not surprised by this.

I live in South Bucks and know Slough well! If you are impressed by Slough - well I really don't know what to say!!

DS attends a superselective that's forever sending out letters to try to up its Pupil Premium numbers but it's obviously not really happening.

DS and DNephew attend two schools alluded to on this thread yet in their fathers' family we were on FSM growing up (I went to a grammar school, but younger sibs didn't because parents couldn't really afford for us all to be there, with more expensive costs) and had two parents who left school with no qualifications at the age of 15...

Make of that what you will.

It shows a great deal about the social mobility (that grammar schools were renowned for) that was common in the UK until the past 20 - 30 years - one of the great and positive things of the 20th Century!

The 2 Reading based grammars on this list take children from right across Berkshire and beyond. The vast majority of children I know who attend have been heavily tutored from the age of 7. It saddens me that kids from families without the means to pay for tutoring are being denied opportunities at schools they may have thrived at a few years previously when tutoring was less of a "thing".

So wait, the thread title should be "The most socially EXCLUSIVE" schools, not "selective", right?

In the great age of Social-Mobility-By-Grammar-School the alternative was leaving school early, from a secondary modern or technical school with a restricted curriculum. Luckily, since the advent of comprehensive education, if it is done properly, children from more disadvantaged backgrounds can get to Uni and a professional career without grammar schools.

This list is interesting.

It seems that almost all the bucks grammars feature on it. Yet bucks is a fully selective county. You sit the 11+ in school.

And in bucks lots of people don't have tutoring. The grammars take the top 30% and a pass mark guarantees you a place.

So why so few FSM?

Is the whole of bucks really that affluent?

Danny. Reading Girls School has/had 261 pupils ,Prospect high school 437 entitled to FSM over the last six years. These figures are in total contrast to their neighbours Kendrick having 12 and Reading school 9 entitled pupils in the same time span.

Iljkk. The title of the thread is most "Socially Selective Schools" It just happens that with the exception of Anglo European in Bishop's Stortford they happen to be grammar schools. The most socially selective comprehensive I could find was Gordon's school in Woking with 35 pupils.

There are 13 grammars in Bucks. If I have counted correctly 4 are on the list

Some of the FSM statistics are also dependent on the area. Two of those schools are a five minute walk from where I'm sitting right now. My DD is in primary a short distance away from them and her school has 5% FSM, it's not unreasonable that a school which is being fed from primarys with a low amount of pupils on FSM would have no children on FSM.

Here y'all go

Every selective secondary school in the country, sorted by % of pupils getting FSM in 2013
www.education.gov.uk/cgi-bin/schools/performance/group.pl?qtype=NAT&superview=sec&view=aat&set=5&tab=71&no=999&sort=ks4_13.ptfsmcla&ord=asc

Smokepole: you chose the schools on the basis of those with lowest FSM, did you not say that? So that makes the most socially exclusive, regardless of whether they are in any way selective.

Say if I misunderstood how you made that list.

My dd goes to one on that list, seems like 90% plus were educated at feeing paying schools until went there not dd. Also most of her friends live in big to huge houses and go on far flung holidays often.

I just flicked around with the DFE tables - on my link
I cannot see where smokepole gets the 5 pupils at Cranbrook from : its 2, 2 and 3 as per the link
Tonbridge is much worse

PS
This set
www.education.gov.uk/cgi-bin/schools/performance/group.pl?qtype=NAT&superview=sec&view=aat&set=5&tab=71&no=999&sort=ks4_13.ptfsmcla&ord=desc
are Secondary Moderns : so by definition each of them is near to one of the selectives on the other list ....the FSM is subtly different