The most Socially Selective schools in England.

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Here is a list of the most socially selective state schools in England , total no of pupils entitled to free school meals over the last six years. Dept Of Education Characteristics

1. Cranbrook School Kent 5
2. Borlase Grammar Bucks 5
3. Bishop Words Wilts 7
4. Pate's Grammar Gloucs 8
5. Colchester Royal Essex 10
6. Caistor Grammar Lincs 10
7. King Edward Louth Lincs 10
8. Adams Grammar Shrop 11
9. Colchester High Essex 12
10. Kendrick Grammar Berks 12
11. Dr Challinor High Bucks 12

12. Alyesbury Gram Bucks 13 12. Beaconsfield High Bucks 13 12. Newport High Shrop 13 15. Stratford Gram Warks 14 15.Skinners Sch Kent 14 17.Chelmsford High Essex 15 17. Judd Sch Kent 15 17. St Olaves Kent 15 20. Alcester Gram Warks 16 21. Tonbridge Gram Kent 17 22. Kegs Chelms Essex 19 22. Lancaster Girls Lancs 19 24. Skipton High Yorks 20 24. Tunbridge W Gir Kent 20 26 Hockerill Anglo Essex 21 27. Ripon Gram Yorks 22 27. Ermysteds Yorks 22 29. Altrincham Boys Ches 23 30. St Bernards Slough Berks 24

Pepperpot, I'm glad you came back to tell us a bit more about your experiences. You spent years mucking out before you got to compete. Others in your position might have given up. Meanwhile, a horse mad child from a wealthier background might have already been competing in events on their own pony. Once you had clambered through those initial difficult hoops, however, you shone against those with the early advantages.

Yes, sports at the elite level are more accessible to the rich, but in some ways, I don't mind so much about that. (I'm not very sporty!) It concerns me more that positions of power and influence within society and prestige jobs - whether they be in politics, the media, the medical or legal professions - are more accessible to the rich.

Looking specifically at medicine, and as touched on earlier, the privately educated – and state selectively educated - are over-represented amongst medical students. A selective education can help you gain access to medical school. But it's interesting to note that those who come from non-selective schools actually do better than those from selective schools in their first year of medical school, relative to their secondary school level of achievement. (I can see parallels between this and Pepperpot's experiences.)

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I am hoping these sorts of findings can be fed back into university selection procedures, so that there is true equality of opportunity for those from non-selective schools who want to apply for such courses, just as I hope that there will one day be equality of opportunity for children, irrespective of background, in all sports.

Choc - the child in question is exceptionally timid and shy. She would have said 'no I'd rather sit in my bedroom' to any offer of an outside activity. At 16 she now has OCD and quite bad anxiety. She needed her mum to organise a trip to the club, attend with her and encourage her. The fact that she loved to do gymnastics and was good at it were all the signs I would have needed to get her signed up.

My Ds (11) is working towards his grade 5 in piano and has done really well in exams and competitions, but he'd never have got to this point without me pushing him, organising lessons and making him practice. He wouldn't ever voluntarily enter a competition, but loves winning when he is cajoled into doing one.

Talkinpeace. Alex Oxlade Chamberlain Educated St Johns College Southsea (Private) another one of Southampton's graduates .

Out with the Crowd another reason why even in "football" there are less "Scallywags" coming through is that they are now competing against the rest of Europe to be signed. This means that any English/British player has got to be the finished /or (almost article) not just with talent, but with intelligence, maturity and confidence . One example of a player who could have had a good career is "Revil Morrison" he has now become an outcast by his behaviour and will probably drift out of football. Morrison's attitude and (some of his ) behaviour was not uncommon 20 years ago now it is frowned upon by all football clubs.

This is of course with exception of the desperate like "Oldham" who are trying to sign Ched Evans!. A third Division footballer who has not played for two years !.

smokepole
You listed a load of footie platers I'd never heard of : I showed that most had gone to comps.
Now you name two more that I care even less about.

The point is that the type of school reflects the parents
and that impacts on the outcomes of the children
no pedantry will turn that on its head

My first cousin is a doctor ( psychatric) and the dad is a tailor and her mum is a dressmaker. Another of my relatives is a teaching Maths in a spanish university ( the dad was a farmer and the mum a housewife with no studies).
And one friends of my parents is a doctor and a dentist ( the dad was a Shepard and the mum a housewive).
I think this country got 2 kind of education one for the working class and one for the rich.
Anyway the richest man in Spain did not go to University because he had to start to work when he was 11 years old.

Spanish. You are right they are two education systems in the United Kingdom. The first one is used by well off/ or families with culture capital I.E knowledge to benefit from , this is not just about private or state education but deeper and is ingrained in the British way of life.

I don't know whether in Spain/Italy kids/families have the same beliefs. These beliefs are " Our Sort don't go to University" Know you Place" meaning why do you think you are so different or special from the rest of your family.
These ideas and beliefs are widespread across Working class communities . There is no doubt this holds back people from even trying to achieve beyond their stereotype . This is because nobody wants to be ridiculed for failing least of all by your own family.

Ravel Morrison is a nasty little thug whose educational background is totally irrelevant.

Some Spanish think that the only way to get out of poverty is by going to university and get a better job that their parents.

Is it I love Sooty". If he had a good family background, decent parents , good schooling (not academic but teaching discipline self respect ) been not surrounded by Dropouts Drug Dealers or being brought up in area where school means nothing apart from being a place to avoid going to at all costs.

If Ravel Morrison had benefited from a supportive and disciplined upbringing or education, you might be seeing the most gifted English Footballer since Gascoigne ( who incidentally was let down by the Education system as well).

My dc is doing gymnastics and it is very expensive and demanding. ( 3 times a week)

You seriously think drug offences, witness intimidation and domestic violence are confined to those with limited educational opportunities smokepole?

Ooh! Talkinpeace's link to Norfolk was very useful (DS wants to attend one of the over-sub'd secondaries). It strikes me is how few schools were over-subbed, Norfolk has a very small problem with over-sub schools.

I am not bothered where DS goes and I don't think there's much difference at all between most the Norfolk High Schools. I know happy parents of high achievers at many Norfolk secondaries that are under-subbed.

Not limited to educational opportunity, but "100" times more likely that anyone behaving in such a way, had no education , shit parenting.

I think I should let it be known that DD1 at 13 (19 now @ University) YR9 was offered a Boarding place at Cranbrook as well as a place at two "local" girls grammars in year 9 but refused , opting to stay with her dad attending one of the local schools in Whitstable.

This is information from a previous thread, only mentioned because of the Cranbrook link. (I love Sooty will remember a previous post about DD1 failing her 11+ despite scoring 385 !.

No smokepole. I remember the fact that she failed the 11+ but I have too much to do in everyday life to remember the intricacies of your elder daughter's education. Anyway now she's doing the course of her choice at university why does any of that stuff matter now?

Talkin

The school my ds1 attended didn't reflect us as parents. I don't think so, unless I am not understanding what you mean.

We are typical working class, but have this cultural capital that has been referred to.
The school our ds1 attended was the worst sink estate school imaginable. There were 6 including ds who came from the same primary and missed out on their 3 choices due to them being full before they reached us.

Not wishing to sound snobby but the children who attended had been failed by their parents and there were many criminals.
Every morning he was searched, sniffed by dogs and there was a police presence in the school throughout his secondary education.

It had a super head commissioned to turn the school around, which she did for his first 2 years there. She was moved on and once again the school deteriorated.

He managed through self motivation to gain an education of 10 GCSE's at C grades. I don't think he would have achieved much higher grades at another school but the environment was dreadful.

This school was a good 5 miles from where we live and culturally my ds and the other 5 children had nothing in common with these children.

The crime in the area is usually associated with past students of this school, some are dead from drugs, most girls left due to pregnancy, before y11.
Any of the lads who survived the years after leaving school joined the forces, or are complete drop outs, which leaves ds and his friends from primary, who aren't exactly high flyers but are working and the one girl has only had a baby recently at 23 after working since leaving at 16.