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The most Socially Selective schools in England.

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smokepole · 31/12/2014 21:46

Here is a list of the most socially selective state schools in England , total no of pupils entitled to free school meals over the last six years. Dept Of Education Characteristics

  1. Cranbrook School Kent 5
  2. Borlase Grammar Bucks 5
  3. Bishop Words Wilts 7
  4. Pate's Grammar Gloucs 8
  5. Colchester Royal Essex 10
  6. Caistor Grammar Lincs 10
  7. King Edward Louth Lincs 10
  8. Adams Grammar Shrop 11
  9. Colchester High Essex 12
  10. Kendrick Grammar Berks 12
  11. Dr Challinor High Bucks 12
12. Alyesbury Gram Bucks 13 12. Beaconsfield High Bucks 13 12. Newport High Shrop 13 15. Stratford Gram Warks 14 15.Skinners Sch Kent 14 17.Chelmsford High Essex 15 17. Judd Sch Kent 15 17. St Olaves Kent 15 20. Alcester Gram Warks 16 21. Tonbridge Gram Kent 17 22. Kegs Chelms Essex 19 22. Lancaster Girls Lancs 19 24. Skipton High Yorks 20 24. Tunbridge W Gir Kent 20 26 Hockerill Anglo Essex 21 27. Ripon Gram Yorks 22 27. Ermysteds Yorks 22 29. Altrincham Boys Ches 23 30. St Bernards Slough Berks 24
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smokepole · 31/12/2014 22:36

I am not really saying anything , apart from showing the most socially selective state schools in terms of actual number of pupils not percentages.

Henrietta Barnett statistics show that there are/were 30 pupils entitled to FSM over the last 6 years. The lowest number for a Comprehensive I could find was 35 for Gordons School in Surrey. I know it is a "Hot topic" on this site about how exclusive and social selective some schools are . These schools are not selecting just on academic terms but on social issues.

The Birmingham Grammar schools are interesting in that some of them of over 10% FSM which is at least 4 times higher than the average for grammar schools. I think in terms of percentages all of the schools shown have less than 2% FSM.

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Theas18 · 31/12/2014 23:08

Yup smokepole maybe 10% fsm in some brum grammars - I assume after the new admissions criteria started in sept? But I guess we need then to compare with the local population average fsm.

peteneras · 31/12/2014 23:10

"Slough is not a particularly nice area tbh."

What do you mean? Care to elaborate?

moonrocket · 31/12/2014 23:11

BHam average FSM- 34% (that's FSM, not Pupil premium. PP will be higher).
Previously, the grammars in Bham were

handcream · 31/12/2014 23:17

Slough is run down, ugly and depressing to visit.

TalkinPeace · 31/12/2014 23:17

How many Free School meals at Tiffin girls and boys?
How many at London Oratory?
And at Wallington?
And at Colyton?

just that they are some of the biggest State schools

peteneras · 31/12/2014 23:25

That was true some 30 years ago. When did you last visit Slough? I was there just two weeks ago. Very impressed, tbh.

MoggyP · 31/12/2014 23:26

Tiffin Girls has just opened consultation about changes to admission (from 2016 onwards) that will give some priority to FSM/PP applicants, and introduces an inner priority area based on wards reflecting typical local poverty levels. Stated aim is to increase number of local pupils and number from relatively deprived backgrounds.

HainaultViaNewburyPark · 31/12/2014 23:27

I went to one of those schools many years ago (1987-1994). I got a place despite being outside the catchment area. I had free school meals for some of my school years.

I have a degree (Oxbridge) and a PhD. I'm a higher rate tax payer. DD and DS go to private school. My grammar school education opened doors for me.

smokepole · 31/12/2014 23:29

Talkinpeace. : Wallington High 70 Pupils Wallington Grammar 70 Colyton 32 pupils London Oratory 89 Sutton Grammar 36 Pupils Tiffin Girls 26 Boys 46

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meditrina · 31/12/2014 23:30

This Independent article from earlier this year says The Oratory has FSM rate of 6% when typical level across secondary schools in that area up is about 1/3.

smokepole · 31/12/2014 23:30

Wallington High 53 Pupils Sorry...

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TalkinPeace · 31/12/2014 23:30

hainault
Had either of your parents been in education beyond 18?
as that is the definition of widening participation for education purposes
and and areas in which all of the schools I listed are utter fails

HainaultViaNewburyPark · 31/12/2014 23:35

My mother left school at 15 and worked as an office junior. My dad left at 18 and became an engineer via an apprenticeship. Neither of them went to university.

antimatter · 31/12/2014 23:36

If OP posts link to where that list came from I am sure the rest of schools will be there.

TalkinPeace · 31/12/2014 23:41

Smokepole
I find your obsessive interest for schools outside your area fascinating.
I track schools in the areas where DH works.

Raw numbers of FSM pupils at a school mean nothing without knowledge of the LEA RESIDENT average
as particularly in London and Manchester, cross LEA traffic of pupils distorts massively between area / school results

smokepole · 31/12/2014 23:45

I don't know how to link ? However, all the statistics are from the Dept Of Education Performance Tables Characteristics of of the various regions, areas.

I was "Bored" ON NYE says it all really, so I went through the regions looking at numbers rather than percentages. Obviously all the schools have over 500 pupils otherwise the numbers would not mean anything.

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smokepole · 31/12/2014 23:50

I think the Obsession is based on two things . 1. A lack of Educational Achievement 2. Autism Aspergers Syndrome

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TalkinPeace · 01/01/2015 00:05

I track what schools around the country that my kids will never attend achieve
because its linked to my income
why on earth do other people do it?

lljkk · 01/01/2015 09:12

List is completely irrelevant to me & mine, but for some reason I'm curious about this: How does the source define "selective"?

littleducks · 01/01/2015 09:19

I'm more Shock at anyone being impressed by Slough.

Not a nice area is an understament

summerends · 01/01/2015 09:46

As TP this list is pretty meaningless, it needs % FSM values and area % FSM It should also include all relevant low % FSM secondary schools, not just academically selective ones.

TheFirstOfHerName · 01/01/2015 09:50

The head teacher of one of those schools is about to move to be the head teacher at my sons' school. I think it's going to be a bit of an adjustment for him. Grin

BrightestAndBest · 01/01/2015 10:35

The ranking system is meaningless. Some of the schools listed are quite small (3 form intake) - comprehensive schools tend to be bigger (so will likely have a larger overall number if pupils entitled to FSM).

Lindy2 · 01/01/2015 10:52

I went to one of those schools, although it is spelt wrongly on the list. The whole catchment area is quite affluent. There are generally very good employment opportunities in the area so regardless of social demographic it is quite unusual for people to be unemployed and therefore most people have income and don't need FSM. By the time children are at secondary school generally parents have less problem with work/childcare cost issues. I attended quite a few years ago before tutoring was the norm and the percentage of FSM was low then. It had pupils from a wide range of backgrounds and incomes but generally it was normal for parents to be working.

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