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Saint albans boys v haberdashers boys

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bulletpoint · 02/12/2011 20:58

does anyone have any experience of these schools ? And would they be a good second choice to harrow school ?

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grovel · 16/12/2011 11:30

Well 97 out of 250 leavers last year went to Oxbridge.

grovel · 16/12/2011 11:44

I think St Albans sent 7 to Oxbridge from +/- 120.

MrsJAlfredPrufrock · 16/12/2011 11:56

Grovel - Yes, that is impressive. Smile

St Albans don't push Oxbridge at all, the decision about where to apply is a matter for the pupil and his family. I think Habs are widely acknowledged to be the better day school if you're hung up about Oxbridge. I have no doubt St Albans would do better in this front if they encouraged and expected everyone/ almost everyone to apply. I've never been hung up about Oxbridge and I suppose it's to be expected that my children aren't either.

MrsJAlfredPrufrock · 16/12/2011 12:16

Grovel - Yes, that is impressive. Smile

St Albans don't push Oxbridge at all, the decision about where to apply is a matter for the pupil and his family. I think Habs are widely acknowledged to be the better day school if you're hung up about Oxbridge. I have no doubt St Albans would do better in this front if they encouraged and expected everyone/ almost everyone to apply. I've never been hung up about Oxbridge and I suppose it's to be expected that my children aren't either.

Colleger · 16/12/2011 13:35

What does a selective uni mean anyway? If you want to study certain subjects then there are less prestigious uni's that offer the best course. For example, Aberdeen a couple of years ago ranked second for Medicine. I assume if a child goes to a music conservatoire that is not classed as a selective uni and yet many students from "those" schools go on there too. You can't go on about St A's sending more to selective uni's and then saying don't get hung up on Oxbrige when St A's does poorly in this area.

MrsJAlfredPrufrock · 16/12/2011 14:05

Er where did I say SA sent more to selective universities? Confused I actually said those figures don't tell the whole story. Sutton Trust Selective unis are on their website, known as Sutton Trust 13.

MrsJAlfredPrufrock · 16/12/2011 14:11

A lot of you on this thread are being ridiculously elitist. Most boys at Eton will end up at the exact same unis as most boys from St Albans. I know that might be hard to stomach after the life's work you've put in. But there it is.

grovel · 16/12/2011 14:42

MrsJAlfredPrufrock, that's a bit daft. St Albans is manifestly a good school and I would expect it to send its pupils to the top universities. I would also expect them to mix very happily with all the other students. I chucked in the Oxbridge stat (my DS is at Durham BTW) to give a partial answer to your question to Colleger.
About 8% of Etonians go to American universities (20 last year).

MrsJAlfredPrufrock · 16/12/2011 14:56

Grovel - I agree. But Colleger seems to think the destination universities of OEs is altogether on a different planet from St Albans.

peteneras · 16/12/2011 16:05

"Most boys at Eton will end up at the exact same unis as most boys from St Albans. I know that might be hard to stomach after the life's work you've put in. But there it is".

On the same note, my (free) grammar school DD went to a Russell Group university where there were loads of St. Albans, Habs, Harrow, Win Coll, Westminster and, lo and behold, OE?s! Xmas Grin

What a complete waste of money paying megabucks for private education! Xmas Wink

But seriously, I?d subscribe to the fact that Oxbridge isn?t the last word in education. Said DD of mine just graduated last July (BSc Hon) aged only 21 and within 3 months found a specialist job in the field she?s trained for, in this period of record youth unemployment. Oh, and she carried out her promise by disappearing in Europe for an extended holiday in the first month after graduation.

On the other hand, DP?s boss, a hospital consultant, has been groaning and moaning that his Oxford 1st Class (Hons) History graduate son is still unemployed after more than a year. Go figure.

TheMead · 16/12/2011 16:10

I do not follow an idea that university is the goal of education.

Once you're in the Uni, number of lectures per week reduces dramatically if you compare it with the ones in secondary school. The differences are greater in selective Uni. This means that students have more time to control, and it's their decision. I saw significant numbers simply lost their interests in their subject. While all may have had the similar A-level scores, how much you take benefit out of the Uni life are very different.

So-called selective Uni is the place for "self-motivative" pupils with "ability", but many focus on "ability" because it is thought to be measured by exam score and easy to compare it with others. (I guess how to measure "ability" is beyond the scope here)

I am a great believer that the personality is made during adolescent period and it can be manipulated at some degree if not all. Right combinations of ingredients, such as some discipline, competition, appraisal, physical activity, social skills, pastol care, etc, would make DC appropriate person for Uni and for our society.

To me, objective of education for DS is in his teenage period. I hope that DS would have his own thought and interests for the rest of his life with his own decision when he's ready for Uni. I'd trust his decision whatever he choose by then. If his school comes with social network, it would be an asset.

I'm sure majority parents are able to manage their DC's sensitive and vulnerable period, with different approaches with different opinions. And I applause to those of you who successfully brought their DC on the right path even without sending them to well-known schools. If there is higher chance for us to achieve the same with your method(s), I'd follow it. Until now, I believe sending him a well-known termly boarding school would give higher probability for the right results. Nonetheless, my option is still open.

happygardening · 16/12/2011 16:14

I mystified why I'm doing a "disservice" to Winchester can someone please enlighten me? (See posting above).

kerrygrey · 16/12/2011 17:04

I agree with TheMead. The aim of education (at least, MY aim) is to give the child/young adult a well-stocked enquiring mind which will last for life even if that person never has a top job. To this end what we believe to be the 'best' school and university we can get for our DC, (tho' in the case of Uni it is the best they can do for themselves) is a laudable aim for parents

wordfactory · 16/12/2011 17:10

It's laudable yes, and certainly an aim to which I aspire.

But I do think it is the preserve of the rich to feel this way. a luxury. My own parents wuld very much have seen my education as a passport to escape poverty and all my extended family feel education is very much a means ot an end...and if that end aint in sight not worth getting in debt for.

MrsJAlfredPrufrock · 16/12/2011 18:28

I'm afraid I have a bit of a protestant work ethic when it comes to a university education for its own ends. We simply aren't wealthy enough to support our adult children while they piss about analysing Fragonard's Swing and Yinka Shonibare for no money whatsoever. I know it's terribly unfashionable. That's why only proper posh people study History of Art. I'm deeply jealous as I'd love to study History of Art.

kerrygrey · 16/12/2011 20:21

I am far from rich. My children must support themselves when adult but by scholarships and bursaries they have had a better education than I had at a state grammar. Rich city types would be good - to see me comfortable in my old age - but if they end up stocking supermarket shelves, so be it. I would not consider in the latter case that I'd wasted my money

cv7890 · 30/09/2013 19:42

Okay... Having spent time at both HABS and ST.A, I would conclusively say Habs is far better, whoever said the boys at ST.A are more quirky has obviously never been to Habs. The range of boys at habs is just astonishing, and the quality of the staff is brilliant. ST.A is really pretty boring in comparison.

cv7890 · 30/09/2013 19:49

oh, and seeing as everyone keep bringing it up, if you're interesting in Oxbridge applications then habs is the place to go, but there is no pressure by any means, but for those who are bothered about it ( which I think most people are unless you've decided or been told you can't...) but it think the 2013 statistic is something like 48 accepted Oxbridge applications... which is staggering...

ohnoimnot · 30/09/2013 20:12

How much time did you spend at each school? LOL

Parenthood101 · 15/02/2018 15:24

Not sure if anyone on this thread is still on, but currently trying to decide between St Albans and Habs for my DS.
St Albans is closer from logistics/friends perspective, but difficult to ignore Habs campus/results.
Any thoughts appreciated, thanks.

anfieldgal · 28/02/2020 16:56

Longshot but which one did you decide on parenthood? I guess some people aren't as snobby as when this thread started 9 years ago . . St A is by no means a boring school. As I say to my 11 year old, only boring people get bored.
Excellent synopsis The Mead.

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