SNP lay their stall out - vote for them next May, they will start negotiating to separate.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgknlj3vr76o

Because they have learned nothing from Brexit. I mean, it's sort of their raison d'etre, banging on about independence and it does resonate with some of their fans who believe that should Scotland separate, we'd all be loads richer. They do appear somewhat confused though - a majority in parliament is a mandate, the biggest number of MSPs is a mandate, a vote for "pro-indy" parties is a mandate.... Anyone would think they were either making it up as they go along, or hedging their bets.

Are we supposed to forget all about the incompetence, the failing NHS and education, the scandals and all the other fuck ups?

So if you don't want to separate, don't vote SNP or Green in May.

Nice cope there Rob. 😂😂Richard Murphy is not credible.

Ok then explain why John Swinney said the bank of England would be lender of last resort then?

What proof do you have that they wouldn't have honoured it?

We both agree that we're not a full democracy, but that doesn't automatically make us into a full-on dictatorship - where a self-proclaimed 'leader for life' decides to abandon elections, or otherwise only allows himself to be the sole option on ballot papers and casts aside/'disappears' all dissenters.

Do YOU genuinely think that, if a majority of Scots had voted for independence in the promised binding referendum, and then Westminster had said "Nah, actually, we'll just ignore that and carry on as before", there wouldn't have been riots?

Even the non-Scottish people in the UK would have taken that as proof positive that the Tories couldn't be trusted to keep major promises - whatever and whoever was affected - and that would have hit their credibility and support enormously, and been a perpetually stick to beat then with every time they tried to claim integrity in anything.

From your posts, it doesn't strike me that you are one of the many Scots who is supportive of what they believe independence could positively bring to Scotland with inherent advantages and new opportunities of leaving the UK behind and going it alone; you just seem to hate the English and treat them as the big nasty enemies on everything.

Indeed. And when did 'the British' not include Scotland?!

He has to say something to the public.

Also, Scotland may have claim to that, depending.

Why dont you ask John Swinney? (I have never met the man)

"Do YOU genuinely think that, if a majority of Scots had voted for independence in the promised binding referendum, and then Westminster had said "Nah, actually, we'll just ignore that and carry on as before", there wouldn't have been riots?"

Yes.

Oh and 'no' no riots The Scottish do not actually have a history of civil unrest.

"From your posts, it doesn't strike me that you are one of the many Scots who is supportive of what they believe independence could positively bring to Scotland with inherent advantages and new opportunities of leaving the UK behind and going it alone; you just seem to hate the English and treat them as the big nasty enemies on everything."

You misunderstand me, and I am at a loss as to why you would think that based on what I have posted even in the last 10-15 posts.

Neither are you 😉

(see how that works?)

Just sounds like yet another personal attack without substantiation.

Come on, now, really?

Your posts have been almost non-stop 'nasty, deceitful, robbing, evil English'.

I'm not convinced that you even believe what you're saying yourself. It's extremely telling that you use 'the British' to exclude Scots and basically as a synonym for 'the English' - which is a device that has long been used by many ignorant and/or bigoted English people who thus dismiss Scots and Scotland as a perceived unimportant irrelevance.

Is that why the Scots just said "Oh dearie me, what a pity" and then accepted Thatcher's grossly unfair poll tax, with Scotland exploited as the guinea pig, without any quibbles whatsoever?!

Not at all, I think you are making an accusation that could not be substantiated by re reading the posts I have placed here (which anyone could do)

Also I would like to point out that at least two other posters have had their comments removed by the Moderators on this website for attacking me personally. Something I have not done.

My comments are backed up by sources, although I have noticed that my post about Scotland being Militarily under-defended as a part of the Uk received no responses.

I’m not the one on video unable to back up my ideas here Rob. 😂😂

They did indeed.

There were peaceful marches in Scotland where an unfair tax which broke the terms of the Act of Union of the Crowns was illegally introduced in Scotland and Scotland alone.

People are allowed to protest.

After 12 months of the Scottish accepting the tax under protest the Poll Tax was introduced in England and there the English people rioted.

After the riots in the South of England the Tory government got rid of that tax.

The back them up.

I see no evidence.

You didn’t watch it did you.😂😂

Margaret Cuthbert the well known nationalist economist who was there disagrees with Murphy on GERS.

Ok, I’m not Scottish, only a tourist there on occasion. However, I don’t understand why you wouldn’t want independence.

Is it just about money? I don’t know if I’d prefer to be worse off if I got my country back. Also, England and Wales are unravelling at speed. Why would you want to stay.

Like I said, it’s none of my business. I’ve always thought that the Scot’s should be allowed to separate if they want to.

Like I said, it’s none of my business. I’ve always thought that the Scot’s should be allowed to separate if they want to.

I'd agree. We had a referendum and we decided that we didn't want to.

GERS figures are a con; brought in in the 1990s to habitually give the impression of the Scottish being poor and too poor to be Independent.

England can leave the Union if it wants to. It wont.

Like the General Election in 1979??? 😉

Hi,

Scotland is worth A FORTUNE to Englands Parliament, who takes all of Scotland oil money and have done for over 50 years.

Yes, independence is normal. So is controlling your own wealth and resources.

People in Scotland were scammed in 2014 because they scared the living daylights out of them. Massive scaremongering. They also promised a 'no' vote would secure Scotlands place in the EU. Another lie.

The SNP always use them as a base for their “blueprints”. Salmond was a big fan of GERS.

Many of us see the UK as our country. We don’t want a hard border between us and our family and friends while making ourselves worse off in the process.

We were asked and we voted to remain part of the UK. And there has been no shift in the polls since the vote.

If you say so. You must be right Rob. You’re always right!

This exactly. 100% British here. Lived in Scotland all of my life. I have lovely friends all over the British isles. I’m not insular, bigoted, with a big fat chip on my shoulder like some. I’m educated, work as a finance professional and know how horrendously damaging Scots would be. 8 x worse than Brexit was the estimated size of the damage last time. Brexit costs the UK approximately £30bn a year. That’s why I’d never vote for Indy and that’s why I’d never live in an Indy Scotland.

There are so so many ways Indy would damage Scotland, and all because those who’d watched brave heart thought it a documentary. Jeez.

"Many of us see the UK as our country."

It's not 🤣 THATS the problem.