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So if Humza Youseless resigns... what next?

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Misthios · 28/04/2024 23:45

I have to admit I've not been paying attention really as Youseless, Salmond and that wee fanny Harvie give me the RAGE so I just end up swearing at the telly when they are on.

So if Youseless resigns - what next? The SNP elect someone else? Or we get an election? If he resigns, what happens about the votes of no confidence?

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HirplesWithHaggis · 29/04/2024 12:36

https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-twist/

*But there was one interesting line in his farewell speech.

The Scottish Greens made abundantly plain over the weekend that any idea of supporting a government led by Yousaf was out of the question, and that their future backing for the SNP was conditional on it being led by someone they approved of.

But Yousaf said that rather than stand down and let the Deputy FM, Shona Robison take charge of the country for a few weeks or months while the SNP choose a successor, he would remain in office until the process was concluded.

This may be simply because nobody in Scotland would trust Robison with hot liquids, but it’s nevertheless a significant step, because it means that when Labour’s confidence motion comes before the Holyrood chamber later this week, it’ll be a confidence motion in a government led by Humza Yousaf.

And that of course means that the Greens either have to do a simply COLOSSAL u-turn on everything they’ve been saying since last Thursday, or they still have to vote with Labour and bring the government down.

That isn’t what they wanted. They wanted to spend the next two years with the SNP dancing on a string, unable to do anything that the Greens didn’t like for fear of being immediately defenestrated. They wanted to effectively control the SNP by having a veto on who got to be the party’s leader.

They CAN still do that, by abstaining on the vote, but they’ll look utterly ridiculous. And of course, that’s never been much of a problem for them, so it may well happen. But in the only tiny example of ever having some spine during his time in Bute House, Yousaf has gone out by tossing a hand grenade over his shoulder in their direction and leaving them to deal with it.*

The Twist

So Humza Yousaf has resigned, as we told you on Thursday night he would. But there was one interesting line in his farewell speech.

https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-twist

Seeingadistance · 29/04/2024 12:41

Misthios · 29/04/2024 12:23

I find myself wondering why no union flag

Come on @Seeingadistance - you know the answer to that one. Because scot;and is special and different and look, we have our own flag and everything. And therefore independence is the only option. An SNP politician would no sooner stand in front of a Union flag than fly to the moon. Their supporters boycott brands like Tunnocks which have the temerity to use the "butcher's apron" on their packaging.

15 or 20 years ago I would happily have worn something with a Saltire on it, no longer. It's turned from a flag we could all get behind into a symbol for the SNP and other associated yessers.

Maybe the better question is - why has the UK government turned a blind eye to this and allowed this pretendy Government with its own flags?

IHaveNeverLivedintheCastle · 29/04/2024 12:51

Seeingadistance · 29/04/2024 12:13

Looking at those two saltires behind Humza, I find myself wondering why no union flag, and also when did the Scottish Executive become the Scottish Government and why was that allowed to happen?

I voted for devolution - one of the biggest regrets of my life. What we have now is not what I anticipated and not what I voted for back then.

Well Tam Dalyell predicted this mess. I voted No in both devolution referenda.

Needanewname42 · 29/04/2024 15:09

So if Youseless resigns - what next?

SNP will vote for someone else. And they play a game of how long can they stay before the revolving door turns again.

EasternStandard · 29/04/2024 15:11

MissBedelia · 29/04/2024 11:05

Please not John Swinney 🙈

He’s looking likely apparently

Unless Forbes challenges and manages to get it

HirplesWithHaggis · 29/04/2024 15:43

Greens won't have Forbes. Swinney is Greer's "work dad". Welcome back John!

DownWithThisKindOfThing · 29/04/2024 16:17

The sucking up to the greens is ridiculous. They have what, 5 MSPs? None in constituency seats. Humza did the right thing in telling them to jog on. These lunatic fringe maniacs should be no where near government

Monstersunderthesea · 29/04/2024 16:29

Swinney = continuity. Kate Forbes would put clear water between the current SNP chaos image and any future stability. I say let’s have Swinney. Why interrupt your enemy while they are making mistakes.

JennyLake · 29/04/2024 16:38

So what happens now with the VONCs? Assuming the conservative version just disappears but will labour’s still stand? Is there still a hope for an election?

MissBedelia · 29/04/2024 16:57

DownWithThisKindOfThing · 29/04/2024 16:17

The sucking up to the greens is ridiculous. They have what, 5 MSPs? None in constituency seats. Humza did the right thing in telling them to jog on. These lunatic fringe maniacs should be no where near government

Quite, and they got these on tiny amounts of votes

MissBedelia · 29/04/2024 16:58

Monstersunderthesea · 29/04/2024 16:29

Swinney = continuity. Kate Forbes would put clear water between the current SNP chaos image and any future stability. I say let’s have Swinney. Why interrupt your enemy while they are making mistakes.

Fair point

JennyLake · 29/04/2024 17:00

Monstersunderthesea · 29/04/2024 16:29

Swinney = continuity. Kate Forbes would put clear water between the current SNP chaos image and any future stability. I say let’s have Swinney. Why interrupt your enemy while they are making mistakes.

Agree with this wholeheartedly but I don’t think I can cope with SWINNEY for another two years. A lot of damage can be wrought in 2 years.

BigBoysDontCry · 29/04/2024 17:05

The vonc can still go ahead as he is still in post and hasn't been replaced. This then makes it interesting to see who votes and who abstains etc. It then hurries the process along as they need to replace him within 28 days if it goes against him and if it doesn't, where does that leave him having already resigned?

I'd imagine they'll want to announce his replacement before the labour vonc as they'd hope that goes their way with another FM in position.

I think anyway.

AspiringChatBot · 29/04/2024 17:27

Looking at those two saltires behind Humza, I find myself wondering why no union flag, and also when did the Scottish Executive become the Scottish Government and why was that allowed to happen?

It's up to the devolved administrations, but flag display isn't bound by statutory law except in NI; the UK, Scotland, and Wales simply offer government guidance and that guidance generally covers outdoor display, not indoor. Wales also uses two Welsh flags, or a Welsh flag and the other country's flag if a foreign dignitary is visiting. (See pics - I'm assuming that FM Vaughn Gething, being Labour, is not a Welsh nationalist). Stormont uses no flags, after a public inquiry discovered that all of the possibly relevant flags were too controversial.

Labour FM Henry MacLeish proposed the name change from Scottish Executive to Scottish Government in 2001, but was opposed by the UK Labour Party and UK Government under Tony Blair. The UK government had no formal power to stop the change, but were able to assert power over MacLeish via the party. When the SNP minority government came to power after the 2007 Holyrood elections, replacing the Lab-Lib Dem coalition, then-FM Alex Salmond made the change in practice. The UK government formally recognised that change and the change of name from Assembly to Parliament as part of the Scotland Act UK, which became law in 2012.

So if Humza Youseless resigns... what next?
So if Humza Youseless resigns... what next?
Monstersunderthesea · 29/04/2024 17:35

“Scottish Government” confers a level of competence that is clearly inappropriate.

Thevelvelletes · 29/04/2024 17:38

It's the most expensive cooncil in Scotland.

TheBlueRoad · 29/04/2024 18:59

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ArtfullyCrumpled · 29/04/2024 19:00

I am still hopeful for an election. It's unlikely I know but I'm so sick of this shower.

Motheroffourdragons · 29/04/2024 19:30

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JennyLake · 29/04/2024 19:46

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Look to the bookies…they have John Swinney as the outright favourite and Kate Forbes in 2nd but a fair bit behind. On the political odds…they are usually a good guide!

Monstersunderthesea · 29/04/2024 20:08

Jenny Gilruth and Neil Gray are only seen as good options as no one has heard of them so they are not known to be terrible. The others on the other hand…

Having said that Jenny Gilruth is presiding over an education system that is rapidly disappearing off a performance cliff.

BigBoysDontCry · 29/04/2024 20:15

Jenny Gilruth is not very bright and nasty with it.

I know little about Gray and that probably sums him up. Not exactly a shining star.

Thevelvelletes · 29/04/2024 20:59

Didn't Jenny Gilruth say that violence in schools was maybe an Aberdeen problem rather than a national problem.

MissBedelia · 29/04/2024 21:16

This is quite good, I guess, as who the fuck is going to vote for the much failed Swinney?