XL bully dogs and Scotland

[CoatOfArms]

Another blinder by our "wonderful" government. I was not aware that the ban on these awful chav beast dogs only applied in England and Wales. No legislation to ban/restrict them in Scotland.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-67787667

Some dim woman who runs a "bullie rescue" says she has been "inundated". Isn't that just marvellous.

Quoting BullyWatch, really?
Cars kill every day, shall we ban them?
The nastiness and snobbery here is disgraceful, to think these pps are judging bully owners when they themselves are displaying nothing but hatred and ignorance is beyond hypocritical.

Awww, Satan and Atilla are just big softies, that toddler provoked them.

Most people simply don't want to take your word for it that it's "a big softie" when it could easily kill or injure any grown adult male around it, if you're wrong.

We don't take people's word for it when it comes to offensive weapons of any kind (e.g. guns), and most people feel the same way about a powerful animal like this. No one cares if you think it's well trained. It can overpower any adult.

Cars that are not safe are banned. Poor comparison.

Guns kill - shall we ban them?

Oh, hang on..

Yes you sound like the typical bully apologist.
where are all your tears for the many dogs that have been mauled to death by these dogs.Your excuse that all the pit apologists used “any dog can bite” is just typical misdirection.Yes any dog cat human, any one with teeth can bite, but these come from fighting breeds.They don’t just one bite and it’s it…they carry on till they have killed or till someone can stop them.
”Just because a few got out of hand” …you have no clue do you.
Those that are being pts are because their feckless owners can’t make any money out of them anymore and can’t be bothered complying with the regulations to keep everyone safe.
At least when they are pts it will be swift and pain fee unlike the many dogs that have spent their last half an hour being mauled to death, don’t forget their owners who have to live with seeing that playing over and over on their mind, their beloved pet ripped apart in front of their eyes and there was nothing they could do about it.
But then again it seems bully owners only think of themselves and that breed and no care or thought whatsoever of the pain and suffering of anyone else.

I'm still waiting on what positive qualities these animals are bringing to the table. And I'd really only judge people of at least normal intelligence and access to the Internet who still go ahead and think it's a good idea to encourage people to breed and supply these dogs by buying the puppies.

Totally, @Dissimilitude . People who want to have these beast dogs in their homes, knowing their reputation, need their head read. But it is their choice to take that risk and own that breed.

All the rest of us want is for the owners of these things to TAKE RESPONSIBILITY for them, ensure they have full control of their animal, that it is trained, on the lead, and doesn't as much as look at anyone else let alone sniff, chase or jump up. We pretty much want to carry on as if your animal does not exist. If you can't do that, you're not a responsible bull breed owner and yes I will judge you.

I'm sorry but I just don't understand your post.

As I understand from a PP is that XL bullies need to be registered, muzzled in public and neutered? Are they being forcibly euthanised?

From reading online I see that all owners need to do is it get an Exemption Certificate.

All the things listed for the exemption are things that a good dog owner does anyway. Apart from muzzle.

• chipped
• neutered
• insurance
• owner over 16

Now all these things cost. So if an XL bully is seized without an Exemption Certificate and euthanised, that is all on the owner who doesn't want to fork out a few hundred pound on their dog.

So instead of setting up "charities" and sending to Scotland, why don't these "charities" help pay for the costs?

My apologies if I'm misunderstanding the rules!

@DinoDays - this is a Scotsnet thread, none of that applies here. People who own these things don't need to muzzle, neuter, whatever. They can stroll down the main shopping street in Glasgow with 10 of them off the lead and according to the Scottish government, that's just fine.

You aren’t misunderstanding what they have been asked to do to comply with the regulations and yes it is mostly what a responsible owner of any dog would do anyway.
But we aren’t talking about responsible owners
I think it is about 3 or 4 hundred pounds for neutering/spaying….why would they not have already had that done….is it so they can breed when they want extra cash going forward.
The exception certificate is I believe £95 and Dogs Trust Membership is £25 a year.
Now I don’t know about you but as a responsible pet owner I make sure I have insurance or money put aside to cover vet fees.
But these haven’t got a clue.They will pay thousands for a dog and expect it not to cost them anymore.
Even before the ban was announced rescues were full of the breed.
I think it was a Liverpool rescue that said they don’t see much past two years with their original owner generally.
The breed is rarely a dog for life but just till they get bored or starts showing aggression in the house…usually at the 2 year mark.

Yeah sorry @CoatOfArms I realised that. But was answering the poster. I should have made it clear I was taking about the English rules!

Must have been living down here too long ;)

Yes that is true now, but she was replying to another poster who again was whining that dogs are all being pts on 1st January which of course is not the case in Scotland.

Quoting BullyWatch, really?

Bully Watch document events that have occured, I've seen no evidence that they lie or make things up.

But some dogs, like XL bullies, cannot be overpowered if they are in attack mode.

It's not that they're the only dogs who attack people. Chihuahuas attack people. But they can be comparatively very, very easily removed from the situation.

If an XL bully attacks a child, the child doesn't stand a chance. At all. That is simply not true for all dogs.

If you had a child, would you rather it was locked in a room with a chihuahua you didn't know or an XL bully you didn't know?

@HerMammy

Cars kill every day, shall we ban them?

Cars have MOTs and if there are dangerous faults, they are illegal to drive if not fixed within 10 days.

People are required to have a valid driving license.

Cars have to adhere to vigorous safety standards and regulations throughout the manufacturing process.

Your comparison doesn't work.

whining that dogs are all being pts on 1st January which of course is not the case in Scotland.

And it's not the case in England either, is it? Because owners have time to comply and it's hardly going to be the case that the day after tomorrow the police are going to round up all these things and shoot them.

To be honest, it's hardly worth your effort countering some of the more fanatical posters. They won't read it, won't follow the argument, will persist in their belief that their "boy" is the softest lump. Until he's not. And by then it's too late because although you could easily stamp on a chihuahua or yorkie to get it off your child, you've no chance against one of these things.

Oh absolutely it isn’t the case in England ….but owners have taken the opportunity to get shut of their dogs now, they were prior to the ban coming in, rescues were full of them.Trouble is there are so many getting rid there aren’t enough places for them to go so unless they are all shipped to Scotland (those that aren’t adopted out before the ban in England) will be pts.
But that’s down to owners.
I know what you mean about it not being worth my effort countering some of the more fanatical posters.
I personally don’t care if it attacks an owner as long as other people and animals are safe.

It's also pretty rare for a car to chase a child in a playpark.

Thanks SomeCatFromJapan, I'll have a look.

yeh but you are all saying chihuahuas and little dogs but German shepherds and cane corsos and dobermans and most other giant breeds including labradors have attacked people including their owners? They’re powerful dogs aswell? All I was saying is it is their owners not the dogs the majority of them are big babies wouldn’t hurt a fly!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_Kingdom

This link gives a list of all fatal UK dog attacks and the breed responsible. It's clear going back a few years that larger bull breeds are an issue, but just look at the list from 2020 onwards. It shows quite clearly just how dangerous XL bullies are, especially if you consider that they make up such a minority of dogs owned in the UK compared to labs, spaniels, the various poodle crosses etc.

I might shove the numbers into a spreadsheet tomorrow and treat you all to a graph.

What if an XL bully gets a tumour, has a seizure, panics due to an unexpected noise, perceives a threat to its owner in error etc - all things that can make a normally well behaved dog lash out and go into attack mode.

You've given examples of other giant breeds (plus labs) but I'm not sure what your point is? I even if other breeds are unsuitable pets due to size, strength and attack mode, it doesn't make XL bullies any less unsuitable.

Most car journeys (almost all) don't include a crash. But sensible people wear seatbelts. Why? Risk assessment and preventable risk. Same applies here. Most dogs won't attack people. But sensible people don't have dogs they couldn't overpower if needed. Why? Risk assessment and preventable risk.

Do you honestly think that it is ever, ever a responsible choice to have an XL bully as a family pet? Do you honestly think that decision is in the best interests of the children in that home?

u can’t paint them all with the same brush though I’m not disputing that they are not powerful dogs I’m just saying they are living breathing things with feelings just like us and killing them all well the ones in the shelters that havnt been adopted by the deadline is heartbreaking they didn’t choose to be bred and most are loving all dogs have the wild streak in them. I understand what your saying but u have to understand what I’m saying too they’re not all killers