XL bully dogs and Scotland

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Another blinder by our "wonderful" government. I was not aware that the ban on these awful chav beast dogs only applied in England and Wales. No legislation to ban/restrict them in Scotland.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-67787667

Some dim woman who runs a "bullie rescue" says she has been "inundated". Isn't that just marvellous.

No, they’re not all killers, but unfortunately they all have the very real potential to be - far more than other breeds.

Well seeing as there is no deadline there will be no putting them to sleep in Scotland, will there @Lildevil1234 ? No they aren't all killers but a higher % of these awful things have the potential to cause serious damage or death than other smaller breeds. This is what most normal people can't get their heads around - why, when you have the choice of all the breeds in the world, you would choose one of these XL bully dogs as a family pet. Knowing that many of them ARE badly bred, poorly trained, and could kill you easily if they are having a bad day or a temper tantrum.

Also they don't have "feelings just like us" because they are dogs.

im not talking about here in Scotland I know it’s not in Scotland I was originally reacting to nasty posts about the dogs in general! And wow shows what kind of person you really are if u don’t think dogs have feelings like us just because they are dogs! Just wow! Anyways I’m done happy new year to you and yours. At least you’ll sleep better knowing you’re right about everything.

Absolutely nobody has said they are all killers. Nobody.

What good reason is there for anyone to choose to own a dog they could not overpower, a dog that in attack mode cannot be stopped by a human?

Do you think that based on the potential for harm, any sensible and responsible person would choose that specific breed of dog?

You are spot on with the ''Two year'' mark.

A dog warden {Before the ban was announced} said they were taking XL's ''off the street'' -supposedly as 'strays' but it was obvious the 'finders' were the owners.
The wardens said ''we take them as we don't want them in the community as they are strong, unpredictable and far too much for the average pet owner to manage safely.
As puppies they are easier to handle, but they aren't the easiest dogs to train , and most pull hard and can't be managed safely as they get bigger.

By two they seem to get more aggressive, going for other dogs {a Mumsnetter whose husband is a vet described an horrific attack on her pet dog {a large breed} by one of these XL Bullies- her beautiful dog died, and the XL was so turned on by the attack it's tail wagged with joy as it was killing the beautiful pet.

The XL was killed to stop further attacks.

They aren't wired like other dogs.
They have been described as ''A genetic hell hole of a dog'' - aggression and a desire to kill pets and attack the vulnerable {children and even adult males.

Here is a face of a child mauled by one:
In USA the XL is just a 'Pit Bull' Killer Kimbo is called a 'Pit Bull' over there but an XL Bully here.

Yes the rescues were full of the breed before the ban was announced.As soon as it was announced it jumped up a gear.
How horrific for that mums netter whose dog died after being attacked and I have seen many accounts on social media of attacks on other dogs.Some survive others don’t.
This tail wagging whilst killing has been mentioned before several times.Those that try to cover up for the breed go “look the tails wagging” they must be ok, when actually as you say they love the attack.
Killer Kimbo was bred from two dogs who were siblings and it is estimated that 50 % of the breed in the UK are related to Kimbo.
Cookie Doe is the offspring of Kimbo and the owner was a back street breeder.
It ended up killing his father but he was still breeding dogs after that.
They have been horrifically interbred in this country by people who just want to make a fast buck.
Here are some more victims.
I actually spoke to the mother of one of these children.
It was her own dog that attacked her child and she just didn’t realise how bad they can be as there is a lot of breed propaganda obviously by those who seek to benefit financially

just saw a daily mail headline, mass of people taking their XL bullies out for one last walk of defiance without muzzles or leads 🙄. The comments are just as you can all imagine, in fact they are very like some of the comments on here 🙄

Thick as mince - I trust my XL bully with my 9 month old. I noticed on the list that @SomeCatFromJapan posted that there has already been a kill by these things in Scotland in Dec 2021, someone who ran a kennels (an adult male) was mauled to death by one which had been seized by the police.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-12519333/My-American-Bully-XL-look-scary-trust-nine-month-old-heartbroken-owners-defend-giant-breed-banned-UK-spate-vicious-dog-attacks.html

I cannot understand anyone wanting a horrible looking beast like that in their home let alone near their children. You see a dog like that you immediately know what type of person owns it

So we are all braced for hordes of these dogs to be brought to Scotland. Jesus Christ. Why do I even live here.

We need to get on to MSPs - there are literally thousands being sent up here have a look on some 'bully rescue' groups on Facebook it's appalling. These willbe the worst of them too as its people who can't or won't register them properly so have just given them up. If I really loved my dog I'd register, neuter and muzzle it to be able to keep it! Some are being abandoned, taken in by rescue centres and shipped up to Scotland. I'm raging about it. Even if ScotGov didn't initially think a ban was appropriate it definitely is now through necessity - there's going to be tons going about and I imagine if rescue centres are overloaded they might be slightly more flexible about who they give them too it's a disaster waiting to happen. Please use theyworkforyou.com to get MSP details to write to them and put pressure on. The Scottish Government are doing some sort of consultation I think and the pro-bully lot are making sure they get their say and are looking for 'experts' to represent them etc so make sure you do same if you're not keen on the entire UK population of XL bullies living in Scotland near your kids.

It’s a very specific demographic who are pro XL bully though isn’t it, not a cell between them usually

The statistics are there though in black and white? They are responsible for at least half the fatal dog attacks in the last 3 years and I'd imagine non-fatal attacks the figure would be much, much more but I don't think that's measured by hospitals. And yes cars do kill people that's why you need to sit a test, get a licence, obey many rules of the road, get put in jail if you drive dangerously 🙄 I'm actually getting really annoyed with people thinking MY children should be put in any kind of additional danger because some stranger at the park not only chose to own a statistically dangerous and unpredictable animal, but also won't keep them on lead or be muzzled?! Who on earth do you people think you are?!

I've been having a closer look at the dog fatalities stats and a few things stand out for me. Fatalities are far more common now than twenty years ago where it averaged about one death every one or two years. Some of those deaths weren't specifically maulings either. There was a tragic case where a woman had an epileptic seizure and her Doberman tried to pick her up by the neck as if she were a puppy, but punctured an artery and she bled to death. Her baby who was in the room was unharmed. Other deaths were for instance septicemia from a single dog bite.

As we progress through the last ten years, more and more pit bulls start showing up on the stats, as well as American Bulldogs and now we're up to two or three deaths a year.

Into this decade and there's another big jump, with ten fatalities in 2022 - by contrast, from 1980 to 1999 there were only seven deaths in that whole twenty year period.

Of the 18 deaths from the start of 2022 to now, XL Bullies are confirmed in 8 of the cases and most of the others are mixed bull breed types.

Contrast this to actual UK dog ownership. XL Bullies don't even make it into the top 25 (although lack of registration may play a part in the figures). The labrador remains the most popular dog by some distance, yet has been responsible for zero human deaths. Labs and especially retrievers are quite large dogs and would certainly be capable of it, yet despite being owned in such large numbers they have killed no people at all according to the source.

It's a clear picture. There's a serious issue with the safety of XL Bullies. There is also, given the number of other dog breeds available, zero reason to own one apart from the reason that none of the owners seem to want to publicly admit to - to look hard and intimidate others.

I find it a disgrace that the SNP government couldn't have sat down for half an hour as I've done to look at the actual figures. They're being criminally irresponsible here and it's unfortunately very likely that someone will pay the price of that in Scotland very soon given that it's now the dumping ground for the animals owned by people too irresponsible to abide by the English guidelines.

https://www.writetothem.com/

V useful site for writing to reps.

Although I'm feeling quite defeated by the ineptitude and damaging incompetence of our politicians lately.

I know what you're saying @Mswest but writing to your MSP is pointless. The SNP will have a party line on this and you'll just get the same standard reply from all of them. You might get more joy from Labour/Conservative/LibDem but they have no power. SNP have made it clear they do not think this is an issue at all, won't do anything.

They will only react when kids start getting killed by these things here, along with lots of hand wringing and stuff about how it couldn't be predicted.

You might get more joy from Labour/Conservative/LibDem but they have no power

When I've contacted my MSPs it's only been Labour and Tory MSPs that have responsed to me in any meaningful way. SNP either ignores or has one of their junior staff regurgitate a party line.

They are probably already coming up with the reasons why it's Douglas ross' fault, or rishi's or anyone except theirs.

Now I'm not blaming Humza for the fact the dogs are here, but it's on their hands from now on.

And another

news.stv.tv/east-central/woman-in-hospital-after-attack-by-xl-bully-type-dog-in-clackmannanshire

I'm just thinking back to June 2020 when they came up with their half arsed "blended learning" fiasco and I spent a whole afternoon firing off irate emails to everyone and anyone, as did most of my friends. Some of the SNP MSPs didn't reply at all. Others sent a stock response that Swinney and Sturgeon were doing a marvellous job. Good response from one of the regional Conservatives, think it was Jamie Greene, who was speaking on education at that point. Contacting SNP or Green politicians is just pointless.

Contacting SNP or Green politicians is just pointless.

I'd genuinely be slightly nervous to contact any Green politician as they don't come across as stable or professional, seem the types to have lists of names.

My SNP MP hasn't responded to any comms in the past couple of years. He likes a photo opp and I guess he likes the salary, but he's utterly disinterested in doing the boring work of an MP.

Alyn Smith by any chance?

Brendan O Hara.

Unsurprisingly there are more than one....