XL bully dogs and Scotland

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Another blinder by our "wonderful" government. I was not aware that the ban on these awful chav beast dogs only applied in England and Wales. No legislation to ban/restrict them in Scotland.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-67787667

Some dim woman who runs a "bullie rescue" says she has been "inundated". Isn't that just marvellous.

But it's a bit like when you look at the dog killing humans stats. There will always be cases there where someone died from an infection from a dog bite and therefore that's where people killed by collies /spaniels/jack russells hit the stats.

If it's a case of death directly from being mauled it's usually a bully type. So it's quite rare to die from an infection caused by a single bully bite as you are likely to have either been killed or required hospital treatment and would be treated for potential infection at that point.

The story here is probably dog died from infection because it wasn't properly taken care of by owners. A bit like dying from an infection from your nip from a Jack Russell as you didn't seek treatment at the time as it was barely anything. 🤷

These were older English not XL ...I don't care if I am breeding lions there is no way on earth that this kind of behaviour can be justified because someone bred a litter of bullies. Type it into Facebook there is video footage of the whole thing with the kids crying and the homeowner terrified as well as the violence towards the mother of the pups . There is a post thurther down saying that I'm out of order for saying people on here would think this attack is justified so thanks for proving my point you sick individual! ...just carry on thinking what you like about the bullies because it's this attitude towards them that has forced the outright ban on the dogs. The ban in turn makes them more appealing to those who should not have dogs and be warned those kind of people will NOT follow the rules so the attacks will rise . Should be educating yourself on them and how to keep yourself safe if you hate them so much rather than spouting nonsense like the owner of the litter of dogs basically brought it on herself

Other comments on this have practically said the homeowner brought it on herself so yeah I do mean people on here unfortunately. Don't know how anyone could ever fathom the thought that this is their own fault , poor family are traumatised, pups have been returned now and they have had to move the mum and pups to a safe location because they are scared these thugs will come back

Nobody here is approving of home invasion, for goodness sake! This is very muddled thinking, to say the least.

@Irvine21 no-one is justifying the attack at all, I think everyone is just really confused as to why you mentioned it and what relevance it has to the discussion?

Well he is an idiot, so of course his would be wearing one of those good for absolutely nothing muzzles. He's the person who gave a young girl, just out the jail and living in a homeless scatter flat an XL. He's the reason kilo was there to be shot dead by police and savagely beaten before hand . All those do gooders that drove dogs here and handed them over to random people with no background or home checks and giving them the dog with no history of where it has come from, those folk are the reason my innocent bully now faces the ban. If they truly cared for the dogs and weren't in it for the likes on social media then they wouldn't have felt the need to announce every dog they were moving to Scotland. That man makes me so so angry!

@Irvine21

Other comments on this have practically said the homeowner brought it on herself so yeah I do mean people on here unfortunately.

Really? Which comments?

Exactly so.
Back yard breeding of Bully breeds attracting baseball bat wielding idiots? They are definitely appealing to a certain demographic, but
It seems very very far fetched .
Unless there is a verified news story it’s unlikely.

Moral of story - get a breed or type that isn’t a magnet for idiots and don’t back yard breed.

There was another comment along the same lines as this but can't find it now

Ugh I really can't be bothered with this - firstly when my kids are out with these statistically dangerous dogs running around I have no idea if you've trained your dog properly and statistically many owners of these dogs aren't good owners! So what do you suggest I do to keep my kids safe? Secondly, do you realise how many owners whose dogs attacked thought the exact same as you?? Please try to be less selfish and look at the facts and evidence. It's not all about you and your precious dog. Finding a bizarre example of a bully being put down because of a chihuahua proves absolutely nothing.

I think we can discount the chihuahua story. Crock of shit doing the rounds on bully fanciers’ Facebook, I imagine.

Buckle up then because it's about to get a whole lot worse with them being put out on to the streets to fend for themselves, back yard breeders breeding them in mass amounts because they are now sought after by even more people that shouldn't be owning dogs and will no abide by the laws, people will hide their dogs now making them unsociable and unpredictable in situations if they were to be put in any bad situations, and they are already cross breeding them with cane corso, mali and other large powerful breeds to get around the ban . It's fine though I will look after my precious dog because yes to me he is precious, and I will hope that none of the bullies that were brought here from England savage me to death because that's what the ban has caused. If anyone can tell me one good thing that has come from the ban then I invite them too and will gladly listen. All I have seen is heartbreak, continued rise in attacks , people planning their next breed to make money from . When rishi announced the ban he said XL bullys are a danger to the community, as far as I can see they are an even bigger danger since the ban. The poor granny that was killed by the 2 dogs that were owned by the wanna be rapper and embarrassment of a human being , her family had to watch his "show" as he cried his tiny little tears about how he didn't know XL bullys were dangerous!...it was a pathetic show he's at fault for absolutely everything that happened and her daughter had said repeatedly before the incident that he shouldn't have been keeping those dogs. He kept them in a tiny house with I'm pretty sure 8 puppies that were too big to still be litter mates then tells his mother in law to use a brush if the dogs start fighting. What an idiot!

I will scream licence system till my last breathe , it is the ONLY way to weed out back yard breeding and bad ownership. It's too easy to buy any dog , I could go online right now and have an a new puppy at home within the hour and that's soooo wrong

Two XLs killed a spaniel near to us. One has been PTS the other seems to have disappeared- presumably passed on to someone else. Wonder if they came from England?

Dunblane?

Funnily the story I read didn't name any breed...

The press don’t always name breeds, people that live locally have SEEN the breed.

I suspected that was the case, I mentioned this attack earlier in the thread and also said that failing to describe the dog that they were now looking for didn't help people to find it or to protect themselves from it.

Absolutely shocking. Poor pet and owners.

One good thing about the ban is recently when I've passed a bully it's been muzzled and yes that does make me feel better. I really couldn't give a fig about the 'its the owners not the pets' argument - I don't know the owners so makes zero difference to me and the safety of my kids. I personally don't think any pets that are too large or powerful to physically control should be unmuzzled or offlead, or in households with children. If licencing addressed that I'd be all for it as well. It's the selfishness of owners that really astounds me in all this, thinking that my kids should be at any increased risk because you think youre entitled to own a certain type of dog?! No.

I obviously know nothing of the area you are from but it's great you feel safer !...I on the other hand am not frightened of ever XL bully or large breed but it still angers me that where I am from I have seen hundreds of XL bully dogs over the past month on the streets and in their home addresses, yet I only know of 2 abiding by the rules. One of them is myself and the other is a lovely young couple who have owned 2 of the dogs since they were puppies. In the area I am from so many have been brought from England so unfortunately the people here who are frightened are not getting any assurance like yourself. Also added note the dogs that you see muzzled are probably perfectly friendly and brought up by decent people hence they feel the need to protect their dog from the law, it's the unmuzzled ones with owners risking the dogs safety for their own ego that you need to be aware of. A proper license system would definitely work and have so much more effect than banning breeds. Being amongst the bully community and not the "let's get a big dog and train it to protect us " kind of community I have seen so many horrors since the ban has come in and the breeds that are coming next are definitely not breeds that should be mixed or owned by a novice. I would much rather come up against an American bully than a cane corso crossed with a mastiff or a mali ant day

where I am from I have seen hundreds of XL bully dogs over the past month on the streets and in their home addresses, yet I only know of 2 abiding by the rules

But you extrapolate from that the fact that the rules themselves are the problem, and not the enforcement of those rules? Lets just not bother with rules because people won't abide by them anyway. And then you go on about licensing - what makes you think that the people who don't abide by these laws about their dogs would miraculously choose to abide by different laws?

No piece of legislation is perfect, certainly not SNP legislation cobbled together in a hurry. But this fiasco of doing nothing while the breed was banned in England/Wales has directly led to this situation of "hundreds" of XL bullies being shipped off up here by their feckless English/Welsh owners who didn't want to comply with the muzzling, neutering and the rest of it.

You might not be afraid of your dogs but most of us are. Terrified. Because we are realists and have seen what these animals are capable of.

Anyone aware of a dog not being kept according to the rules should report.

Chihuahua killed by XL in Glasgow last week.

Lab mauled by XL in Glasgiw last week.

@BigBoysDontCry No, you're right, not named but Dunblane is a small village and we all know who they are and where they stay and what type if dogs they are. Not the first time police have been to see them either. Even worse the poor spaniel was blind, how terrified it must have been..

That's awful. I'm not in Dunblane but local. It might be better neutering the owners and not allowing them to breed while they are doing the dogs...

Licensing would alter the situation at source ( the backyard breeders who give just anyone a dog) . 2 million pounds have been spent on extra kennel locations to hold the dogs which will be seized if they used those funds to set up and police a licensing system there would be a much better effect. Banning breeds and hoping the public do the police job of reporting breeches is just putting a plaster over the situation. It also doesn't matter what kind of person you are or how unruly your dog is you can obtain an exemption certificate for your XL bully so really it's a money maker not a safeguarding policy

There is absolutely no way that licensing would stop this problem - far too many would simply ignore it. The £2 million is across the UK with over half coming from one police force and the cost of implementing and policing a license would be far higher.

All we can do is hope that the ban gathers traction and the breed dies out.

@Irvine21

I don't understand why you think people will follow licensing laws when you don't think they'll follow the rules of the ban?

The same arseholes who don't give a toss about one won't give a toss about the other.

At least the ban will get some XL bullies with arsehole owners off the streets as they won't have applied for exemptions but can be reported.

They don't care if they are reported! By reporting them all that will happen is an innocent dog will lose its life, they won't pay the thousands it takes to go through the courts and get their dog back so the dog would die . If you want to go about reporting these kinds of people then that's up to you but I'm not ok with any innocent animal being killed because their owner is an idiot. Licencing laws would be hit the breeders , right now they can breed and sell to whoever they like and no laws say they can't. If they can't make money off the dogs they wont breed them. Right now the rules state a person can breed 2 litters a year without being registered as a breeder in any way so if there are 4 adults in a house thats 8 litters a year and the pups are pricey so it is a lot of money. These kind of breeders are reported all the time but animal welfare organisations can't stop them right now because they are doing it within the law and the dogs are suffering. With a license system not just anybody would be able to obtain a licence, this isn't the case with exemption so when the exemption process opens for Scotland thousands upon thousands of dogs will be registered to say they are XL bully type. They don't question who owns the dog so doesn't matter if it's owned by someone who is banned from owning dogs (bans don't work clearly) , doesn't matter if they have a violent history, doesnt matter if their previous dog mauled an innocent child to death, the only thing that matters in the exemption process is that you remember to pay that £92.40 fee!

So with a license system like drivers license, you would be assessed, you would have to disclose criminal past and health issues etc before being considered for a licence, then like being a driver the police have the right to stop you for checks etc, if you are found to be unfit then your dog should not be killed for your stupidity you should lose your licence and the dog gets a new home. With the ban an exemption the only way a dog can be rehomed is if the owner passes away. It's wrong in so many ways.