XL bully dogs and Scotland

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Another blinder by our "wonderful" government. I was not aware that the ban on these awful chav beast dogs only applied in England and Wales. No legislation to ban/restrict them in Scotland.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-67787667

Some dim woman who runs a "bullie rescue" says she has been "inundated". Isn't that just marvellous.

What are you on about?? That's a MASSIVE leap

Do you have children @Irvine21?

Only I can't understand why someone would choose a dog (XL bully or otherwise) that they almost certainly couldn't overpower once in attack mode.

And I think it's selfish to make that choice in a home children live in, when there are so many other dog breeds to choose from.

I'm not being antagonistic, I genuinely can't understand the thought process of that active choice.

Any dog can go into attack mode for reasons out of their control - brain tumour, pain, misguided defence of an owner...

But some dogs are likely to be able to be overpowered while others really aren't.

I've just realised we've spoken before on this thread @Irvine21 so apologies for going over old ground. You posted the lol face alongside the story about babies being killed by a dog. I remember it well now.

As I said previously, any dog can harm and kill someone. But XL bullies make up less than 1% of dogs in the UK and are responsible for 44 per cent of attacks on people in 2023, and 75 per cent of fatalities since 2021.

I'll leave it there.

I have already explained my reasons for my chosen breeds a while back , it's a whole long story that takes to long to type. But my dogs don't live in a home with young children. They are around young children sometimes who are well versed in dog behaviour. As for pain , brain tumour etc this is my thoughts process on this comment and please tell me if this is incorrect, I will try to stay away from mentioning small breeds so this makes sense. I could go out with my young family members in my car and the brakes could fail and we could all tragically meet our demise. I try my hardest to avoid situations like this by maintaining my car with regular health checks but it could still happen . Regardless of that I still choose to go out and take passengers in my car. The government require me to have a license and insurance, as well as mot and the police have the right to stop you at random to check your car for roadworthiness, that I'm not driving under the influence or doing anything else which is ridiculously unsafe. If the government want to bring the risks of dog attacks down then they should bring in the same strict rules for owning any dog.

Some people seem to think it's ok that a dog repeatedly bit another dog causing kidneys to shut down and dog to be euthanised so I never know what people will think is ok these days.
I have seen some horrors of dogs losing their life to the neighbours poisoning them, injuries from broken glass thrown all over gardens, dogs being "rescued" then found , drugged , burned , beated to death. Seen videos of bully being beaten over the head with a hammer by the owner in its own garden. I was too scared to leave the house at 1 point with my bully because I genuinely feared for his and my own safety in regards to the sick individuals out there.
I have seen posts of people proudly stating that they sprayed defense spray in the face of a dog at its own garden fence so I can't even settle while my dog plays in his own secure garden

@Irvine21

I try my hardest to avoid situations like this by maintaining my car with regular health checks but it could still happen

If one model of car was responsible for 44% of crashes and 75% of fatal crashes, would you choose that model as your car?

I was actually laughing at a person who was adamant that labradors had never killed anyone.. moving on tho , where do you all find these statistics because nobody has any idea how many of these dogs are in the UK . There will be even more in the years to come as they are now wanted even more by " wannabe gangsters " as they are banned. It's exactly what happened in 1991 when they banned the Pitbull. The ban on them has just driven it underground so there are thousands of unregistered dogs. If this was done in a licence system the government would know where the dogs are and how many of them rather than forcing people to hide them. I see Pitbulls (not Pitbull type) all the time with no muzzles so obviously not exempt. In my local area I see XL bullys daily with no muzzles off lead , it makes my blood boil as my own dog has lost his freedom that we worked so hard for him to be able to have.

On about another story that the media haven't pushed. A mum with 2 little kids was home alone at 9pm when 3 masked men with machetes and bats smashed their way into her home and stole their 7 week old pups then beat the life out the mum of the pups when she tried to leave with them to be with her pups.

I screenshotted it, rather than linked it. Sorry if that wasn’t clear.

im not saying either way. I’m just surprised a chihuahua is able to kill an xl bully. And that if it was on a walk, so there were people around, the people didn’t just boot the chihuahua, or walk away. It’s a chihuahua, if its attacking something, you can just kick it easily, or pick it up, they’re bloody tiny.

also if the bites lead to infection, did they not take the dog to the vet and get antibiotics or similar? I always thought if your dog is bitten by another dog, you should take it to the vet and get it checked out.

I think people are reticent because it was a chihuahua, rather than say a lab or similar sized dog, or even a cocker sized dog. Chihuahuas are fecking tiny wee things, and whilst often rather angry, very easy to fight off (maybe not by a toddler/child), but an adult can easily fight off a chihuahua, especially if they are able to walk/have an xl bully or similar size dog. Not saying they are able to control the xl bully in all situations, but if they can control it enough to put a muzzle/lead and walk it under some semblance of control, they should be able to move a chihuahua.

and tbh get vet care for their dog.

Any thoughts on this @Irvine21?

You used the analogy of cars so this question is entirely relevant.

Would you choose that model of car if you knew it carried a much higher risk than other cars?

As an XL bully owner yourself you (hopefully, if you say you're a responsible owner) understand that when all else is equal, the risk of injury from an XL bully is higher physically than many, many other dogs simply due to both size and muscle mass?

So why choose the higher risk car / dog?

@Irvine21

On about another story that the media haven't pushed. A mum with 2 little kids was home alone at 9pm when 3 masked men with machetes and bats smashed their way into her home and stole their 7 week old pups then beat the life out the mum of the pups when she tried to leave with them to be with her pups.

Everything about that story is horrific. I'm unsure why you're pushing the point that you think people would think otherwise? I can't imagine anyone is going to be pleased or approve of someone breaking into a home, terrifying a family and brutally killing animals even if they disagree with XL bullies being pets. It's strange to suggest they would. A massive reach.

With my dogs it's not about the risk it is about the chance, with the training and care I put into my dogs there is a low chance of me coming up against a dangerous situation with my dog

Well it happened so someone obviously thought it was ok to do such a thing. The dogs weren't even XL they were older English . Thankfully the puppies have been reunited but the mum was injured and the mental effect on the family will last forever. It's a scary world full of sick deranged people. That story should have been all over the news and it wasn't , just the same as the XL bully being put down after the chihuahua biting it. Of course there are some people who should be slated because they aren't abiding by the rules and keeping their dogs safe obviously isn't a priority. I just really wish people could see past all the bad owners who shouldn't be left in charge of a hamster never mind a power breed , because behind them all there are some really amazing dogs , the breed has an intelligence like I have never experienced before. They are really hard work and not for the stay at home kinda person , but when they have the correct owners who give them what they need they are as placid as your average golden retriever. I have always owned large working breed dogs so I went into getting a bully with my eyes wide open , in the few years that I have had him he had become a massive part of my family and he's never gave me a reason to doubt him

Some people seem to think it's ok that a dog repeatedly bit another dog causing kidneys to shut down and dog to be euthanised so I never know what people will think is ok these days.

Oh come on. If a chihuahua is biting your on lead dog you pick it up! And if it did manage to picture your canine rhino's hide then vet and antibiotics.
The entire thing is such a bunch of crap.

And I'm not even sure why you're mentioning the other thing about the robbers, thar kind of chavvy crap is far outwith the experience of most noel people, maybe it's how bully fans live their lives.

You aren’t the only one :)
I only know this as many Greyhounds, Lurchers and Whippets are muzzled when playing or lure coursing and can definitely bark and growl while running around with one on.
A correctly fitted muzzle allows panting vomiting and certainly barking.

What aren’t good are the fabric muzzles like a tube that clamp a dog’s jaws tightly shut ( often seen on little dogs who scavenge.

There are some poorly designed “muzzles “ that some XL owners are using that is like a single thin strap that won’t protect anyone or any animal from an XL mauling.

Ah ok , makes sense why I wasn't being taken to the video
The dog was taken to the vets and the damage was already done, I get that people are skeptical but me if I was in that situation wouldn't want to harm such a small dog by kicking it , even the smallest bit of force could kill a chihuahua. I would of just tried to get away from it with the thought in my head "it's tiny and I will take my dog to vets for checks". Bully owners are taking to walking at quieter times in secluded areas to avoid off lead dogs as much as possible while their dogs are muzzled and unable to defend themselves, so there is a high chance nobody else was around at the time. I walk where I like now that I have a bodycam, I have no worries of my dog being unsociable but I do worry he will be attacked by an off lead dog and he would end up being blamed hence the camera. If all dogs where on leads in public space we wouldn't be having these situations I don't get why the government can't see that ! I'm not going to say all dogs should be banned because small dogs can be vicious or all dogs should be muzzled etc but these days it's rare to see a dog with proper recall so yes I do believe all dogs should be kept on lead in public spaces. We have so many private fields, agility classes , swimming facilities etc for dogs that there is no need for them to be roaming free in the local park. If people can't afford such facilities then they really shouldn't own a dog because what would happen if they had an emergency which came with a massive vet bill? Most vets require upfront payment so in those situations insurance is not the answer.

Those single strap "muzzles" are nothing but a halti but again the government left it open to interpretation rather than saying a cage muzzle must be worn so all the chancers are getting them and will end up with their dogs being seized . Feel for the dogs just because their owners want to feed their own ego

Exactly so.
Back yard breeding of Bully breeds attracting baseball bat wielding idiots? They are definitely appealing to a certain demographic, but
It seems very very far fetched .
Unless there is a verified news story it’s unlikely.

Moral of story - get a breed or type that isn’t a magnet for idiots and don’t back yard breed.

The single strap “muzzles “ are different to a halti that attaches to a lead

They are more
like a semi padded cavesson nose band a horse wears so zero safety against bites.

• the bloke who drove XLs up the Scotland- his XL wears the noseband type.

@Irvine21

Well it happened so someone obviously thought it was ok to do such a thing.

Well yes the people who did it thought it was acceptable. They're bastards.

You very clearly meant you thought other people, people who don't like XL bullies, would think it was Ok.

Which as I said is a huge stretch. And a bit of a cheap shot.

Yeah, I understood the story. What I'm baffled by is how you think anyone would be on the side of the 3 violent criminals? Based on their very coherent points made on this thread??

I think with secure fences ( like I have for a small sighthound) you should be safe if people can’t se over to see what dog/s you have.

What IS risky everywhere is drug litter ( even in rural wealthy areas)

A workmate had his dog act strangely after a walk in a Park

Defecating indoors and very anxious
OOH vets said dog tested positive for cocaine and opioids.

She said it’s all too common an occurrence.

A friend’s Whippet started shaking and being unsteady - OOH vets said cannabis type drug.

https://www.facebook.com/share/7MjT4bL4C5q6Bzov/

Another one, fortunately the dog survived but the injury pictures are horrific.

I really don’t know why my brain thought what I wrote 😂

but now I have had lunch and I’ve slept, my brain is working again 😂

I know a well fitted muzzle can allow the dog to drink and take treats.

the fabric ones, are really not good.

On the xl bully thing in general. I actually only saw any for the first time about a month, as I was driving through Dundee. Both muzzled and a handler each.

then in the last month I’ve seen 4 in my very small town. Only one was muzzled, and all 4 were dragging their owners along, with each owner holding on with both hands. Different dogs/owners each time.

Did the chihuahua bite the kidneys (which I think is largely impossible) or was it an infection that damaged the kidneys?

I have to say, if my dog had various puncture wounds, I would have gone to the vet on the way home. Infections don’t happen immediately, so I’m a bit confused tbh.

i can see why you wouldn’t want to kick the small dog, but if my dog was being attacked and I couldn’t get it off any other way, I would most certainly consider kicking it.

also I don’t understand why the owner of xl bully didn’t just walk or even jog away. It’s a chihuahua, it’s not like it can hold an xl bully back with its teeth, it would just get dragged.

anyway, regardless, it’s quite a baffling incident and something must be going on that hasn’t been shared.