XL bully dogs and Scotland

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Another blinder by our "wonderful" government. I was not aware that the ban on these awful chav beast dogs only applied in England and Wales. No legislation to ban/restrict them in Scotland.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-67787667

Some dim woman who runs a "bullie rescue" says she has been "inundated". Isn't that just marvellous.

Yes, I think most people would rather all XL bullies were put down. They are a risk we don't need. How many attacks now? How many deaths?

Of course!!! Of course!!! In the same way that I’d rather a gun was stripped for parts, or I’d rather acid that can melt skin and be used as a weapon is no longer made available to the public. Of course!!!

fighting a losing battle with these people. They will never accept that your child, or my mum or a random stranger’s safety is more important than the life of a mutant hound. Absolutely unhinged but you can’t argue with batshit crazy .

Or their own child in one case on this thread! Or their existing older dog.

Hence why a lot of XL’s have HUGE nails because the owners can’t be arsed walking them ie lazy fuckers who want a dog to look hard. EVERY dog needs enrichment, they need walks, brain games and fun. Is your idea of fun hanging a rope from a tree and getting a dog to grab it to strengthen its jaws?

Also just to point out, there are lab rescues and spaniel rescues in Scotland… Perhaps you just can’t be arsed to walk a dog?

Not from England it wasn’t.

So many Pits and XL Pit Bullies have talons because they are so hard to manage on walks.
( So barely get taken out)
They are horribly strong- the low centre of gravity makes them harder to control and they pull so much that the owners use prong collars or electric collars on them - or worse, no collar at all.
The people involved on XLBs are a strange lot- the teenaged lad who got the one off the elderly collie was accused of all sorts of abominations -
He owns an XLB and said he knows how to get one to release-

But the Pitmommies were accusing him of stamping on its head and eye gouging and causing it’s teeth to fall out- absolutely mad stuff.

But you are right- people who are Pit fans don’t mind sacrificing an existing elderly dog’s security , or a potential child’s safety as long as they can post about the “Big soft lump “ on antisocial media.

The ridiculous muzzles some are using are woefully inadequate- a single loose strap around the muzzle- allowing plenty of mauling room.

No. I walk them for at least a hour a day. Labs and spaniels often need 2 hours plus.

If it was a responsible bona fide rescue centre doing a rehoming, they would be extremely wary around the existing elderly dog and the child and would insist on meet-ups beforehand.

The fact that the XLB has been owned by feckless idiots beforehand does not augur well for it's behaviour.

The fact it's looking for a new home shows it wasn't cared for,
Probably massively inbred which compounds aggression and other issues.

Any 'Rescue' dog of any type needs time - often in the beginning they are 'Shut down'...but they are watching and finding their place in the household.

Soon they can begin to 'Flex' as they who is weak, or old, or young- I'd not want any dog with fighting genes hardwired into it around children, pet dogs or cats.
As they grow older, they often get more aggressive.

These kneejerk 'adoptions' are so often not thought out properly, so the dog gets re-homed again {Illegally} or else ends up getting shot by police or euthanised when it escapes from it's owner and goes and maul some innocent child or pet.

Lots of the muzzles one sees are just a joke- a loose single strap around the muzzle that wouldn't stop a mauling.

Absolutely shocking to kill an animal that has never shown aggression or posed a threat to anyone because she was born fitting a certain set of measurements. You sound like hitler.

They aren’t a massive risk. You are way more likely to get hit by a car. 23 deaths since 2021, 12 by XL bullies. That’s 4 a year. A total tragedy that could have been prevented but that’s put this into perspective. 2 people a year are killed by lightening in the UK. Between 2018 and 2022, more than 30 people were killed by cows in the UK. 400 people drown.

Literally none of the experts agree with you.

How many bully attacks were there?

And yes, you’re correct - those 23 deaths were completely preventable.

The experts opinion..

Prof Carri Westgarth, Professor in Human-Animal Interaction at the University of Liverpool, said:

“There is no scientific consensus that particular breeds are more likely to act aggressively than others. Dogs of all breeds are represented in the dog bite records and we know there is wide variation in behaviour between individuals within a breed. There are also genetic tendencies towards aggression within particular breeding lines, so with any breed, breeding for good temperament is vitally important. Other factors such as socialisation, training methods, and health, are also significant for a dog’s risk of aggression
“However, the data does support the fact that large powerful dogs, including those of bull breeds, are more likely to do significant damage IF they do bite someone, and as such, XL Bullies and other large powerful breeds feature strongly in fatality lists.
“This announcement raises many questions that must be considered. Key to the ban is the statement about looking into defining the XL Bully breed before it can be banned – however, proving a dog’s particular breed is difficult, especially when that breed is not recognised by most Kennel Clubs, and looks similar to other breeds. This has complicated the application of the current legislation concerning Pitbull types, and likely will again with XL Bullies, which are also just one size type of the American Bully.
“It also raises the question whether banning a single breed will encourage those who want to own such a type of dog turn to owning and breeding other types, as happened with the development of the American Bully after Pitbulls were banned.
“Overall, experts including anti-bully groups agree that if dog bites are to be effectively reduced, much more intervention and legislation are needed than simply banning one breed.”

Prof Westgarth might want to reword her “XL Bullies and other large powerful breeds feature strongly in fatality lists”. Between 2021 and 2023, around half of fatal dog attacks were caused by a single breed (no prizes for guessing which one). The other 50% of fatalities were spread between a number of breeds. One breed is definitely featuring more strongly than others…

4 horrific tragedies a year due to XL’s and this is cause to euthanise up to 100,000 dogs? Instead of addressing the cause, which is responsible dog ownership? And I’m the wreckless one?

Well you are the criminal. The dog could not legally be removed from England. And yet your DH did just that.

Dare say we will be reading all about it in the Daily Record one day.

You sound like hitler.

😂and you sound about as expected for a Bully enthusiastic.
Because euthanising some inbred lump of a dog is totally comparable to the genocide of six million Jewish people.

13-15 XL bullies responsible for mauling adults and children to death since 2020 - plus countless other attacks on people and dogs.

You’re not just wreckless (or reckless…) you’re naive and criminal in your actions. These dogs don’t have to be euthanised - direct your ire at the owners who don’t want to go through the proper procedures for keeping their friendly, wouldn’t hurt a fly bundles of fluff alive.

In risk assessments we balance the risk of something going wrong and the severity of outcome when it does go wrong against the benefits gained by doing something risky, which is why we still farm cows, or go out to sea to fish, or cut down trees, all activities with high risks involved but also with big benefits.
So the benefit of owning an XL bully would need to be big enough to balance out the almost certain outcome of death when it does go wrong. If the risks were confined to the owners only, I wouldn't care, if they want to take the risk of being mauled to death, whatever, but it's not, isn't it, other people who have no choice in the matter are put at risk too.

Well put.

I was going to comment on that amazingly stupid post. But I can’t better your response, so 👏

Sorry on the cows front, the are nearly 10 millions cows in the UK, and an estimated 3.6 billion visits to the countryside each year (as in millions of people visiting repeatedly, daily). There are 4-5 deaths per year, there have been 24 deaths in the last 4 years. Almost all are farm workers, not children out playing.

On the drownings, in the UK that's pretty consistent at around 225 a year (221 in 2021, 226 in 2023). Not 400. Almost all are swimming. Drowning is a known and accepted risk of swimming. It's not other people's rescue pets unexpectedly causing people to drown.

Not sure what your point is - because other things are a risk to life as well, anything goes? Cars are one of our biggest risks to life but we have very strict rules to minimise risks. MOTs, driving exams, lane markings, headlights, seatbelts, speed limits, driving offences etc. All designed to minimise risks from death machines. Why don't you want to minimise risks from other types of death machines? Ones that serve a much less useful purpose in society?

@Againstbsl24

Why did the original owner of the xl bully you've taken in not want to register them and adhere to the new rules?

They cannot be a responsible owner if they'd rather have given the dog away than do that. As is evident also from the fact you said they haven't previously been walked enough.

Additional risk factors for your child and existing nearly elderly dog who gets afraid around loud noises and sudden movements.

Why didn't the original owner just follow the rules? And why did they care so little for them that they rehomed them with a child and nervous dog?

I am really offended by that comment by the bully-numpty. It just shows how flawed these people's logic is and how downright thick they are. That "like hitler" comment is just so, so wrong on so many levels.

It's a FUCKING DOG.

Ugh your use of stats is really flawed. 60% of deaths causes by dangerous dogs were XL bullies (that's not including 2023 and % was increasing every year) showing the breed IS an issue, as they make up nowhere near 60% of dog ownership. Your comparison to car, lightening drowning deaths is also totally flawed - 2 people died of lightening strikes yes but how many times did lightening strike?! There a millions of cars on the road and I'd guess millions of people enter water each year, so the proportion dying because of these is small. There are 10 million cows in the UK, so unless there's anything like 10m bullies then I'd say cows are safer 😂
Really anyone can see the statistics point to these dogs being more dangerous than most others, if they are willing to take the risk that's fine, but their kids and the public shouldn't have to pay the price for that risk taking, it's unbelievably selfish.