XL bully dogs and Scotland

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Another blinder by our "wonderful" government. I was not aware that the ban on these awful chav beast dogs only applied in England and Wales. No legislation to ban/restrict them in Scotland.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-67787667

Some dim woman who runs a "bullie rescue" says she has been "inundated". Isn't that just marvellous.

Why is it that XL bully supporting morons can't understand statistics and risk?

And as PP said, if you acknowledge that the risk is there and you are willing to take that on your own behalf then that's fine but not really fair on the police/ambulance services that have to pick up the pieces. However, you are inflicting your poor choice on other people including your own family and existing pets.

These dogs bring no benefit with their risk. We all acknowledge that it's not the dogs fault which is why we'd rather see it peacefully be put to sleep than mistreated and abused or poorly cared for and mentally unstable or having to be shot etc.

Even if we only treated the deaths by these dogs as a problem, they’d still be an issue.

It’s the tip of the iceberg though, in relation to other life-changing injuries that they are also causing - and that’s not even starting on the emotional and financial distress caused to pet owners who have seen their dogs attacked or ripped apart in front of them.

What I've found most worrying about some of the XL bully attacks is that they have come apparently out of the blue.

So these have been dogs that have given no warning signals. Have suddenly turned. They had been looked after properly, no trigger, just a sudden, unexpected attack.

'we must go ahead with the ban and get it right to stop these brutal attacks and keep people, animals and our communities safe.Dr Neil Hudson is the Conservative MP for Penrith and The Border, the only veterinary surgeon in the House of Commons, and a Member of the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (EFRA) Select Committee'

https://www.express.co.uk/comment/expresscomment/1832459/why-are-xl-bullies-banned-dangerous-dogs-list-uk-2023

What I've found most worrying about some of the XL bully attacks is that they have come apparently out of the blue.

That and their sheer size. The Hamilton one their is CCTV of it acting like a normal dog just before it attacked. And it was on a lead. The owner couldn't hold it of the guy it attacked and then it turned on him.

Both the Hamilton and East Kilbride dogs were shot - realistically from the point of the dog turning it must be 30mins at least to being shot.
Just thinking, few minutes from first call, police on scene, then them calling for backup, time for armed cops to get there.

Hamilton and East Kilbride are both biggish towns, Hamilton minutes from M74, East Kilbride also has a good access to the main road network.
What happens if the next attack is somewhere more rural, outlying villages and it takes the armed police much longer to get their?

BTW I've never heard of a lab or chaiwawa needing the armed police 🚔 to shoot them to end an attack.

@ArabellaScott THIS is what our vets say too..one of the staff worked at an inner city free clinic and said that Pits and XL Bullies {basically Pit crosses} don't warn like other dogs, and not do they read appeasement signals in other dogs.

They do just turn.
It's part of the fighting DNA - one of the XLB kennels in USA says he breeds the biggest Pit bulls ever- they are breeding for monster size.

The breeder freely admitted that he goes nowhere without his .45 {firearm} and his XLB.

He said he bought a very expensive female dog to breed that was so ''HA'' aggressive that he had her euthanised. {HA=Human aggressive} - the dog on dog aggression is just taken as a given.

This a copy and paste comment from an XL owner under the video above.

......''my friend who owns the mother wanted to breed her as she was getting older (she's about 5 years old, nice body, beautiful overall) she however has all of those aggressive traits explained in the video. She is good with her family members however other dogs and people who don't stay in the house, should definitely never come near her. She's had multiple incidents where she could have killed or seriously hurt someone. I wasn't aware what I was getting myself into when I agreed to the breeding. The puppies came out beautiful. Had the structure, good sized heads. Everything you could want.. But I tell you. Those puppies... Where all crazy. It was a litter of 4. I kept 1, and my friend kept 1, both of those males were crazy. His pup ended up attacking him multiple times (he wasn't a good owner in my opinion, negligence). The one I kept.. Well he challenges my folks at home. And he has bit my brother on the lip.. It was not pretty. He too acted out unexpectedly and he was very unpredictable. He challenges his dad as well but I pick up his body language and de-escalate the situation before it gets serious. (I have you to thank for that) he had to be supervised 24/7 or who knows what can happen. but evidently.. This dog is a problem. And as much as we all love him. I would never even give him away and let him become someone else's problem.. I've tried to get the aggression out of him by taking him for training classes, exercises, long walks. But he's too hot. Too territorial. He'd bite you just for trying to get him off of the bed (a place where he shouldn't be) the only person he doesn't show aggression towards is me because we have that special bond.. I submit him myself when I feel challenged by him to maintain the order of alpha. But I'm fearing for my family's sake. Especially after the incident with my brother. I think I should call him as well. We'll miss him. But it's the responsible decision I'm going to have to make at the end of the day. Temperament is so important. If not the most important, quality matters.

There should be restrictions on having dogs this dangerous exactly the same way firearms are restricted. That should include a home check, mental health check, etc.

Fucksake.

I also read the guidance which talked about how vets can keep themselves and staff safe when XL bullies are euthanised, suggesting sedation prior to the vet visit.

From what I understand there are problems with that.Ban has already happened but they can’t licence the premises till a date in March.Added to which…..

They aren’t actually experts are they though.They don’t even compound the genetic predisposition of the breed for what they were originally bred for and what they are capable of.They are basically in the pockets of the pit lobby which has a lot of money behind it.Do you wonder why even long before the ban these same organisations that were against the ban had stopped offering insurance on these dog types.

Even the original breeders of these ''XL American Pits/Bullies'' admit they can flip and can be dangerous and unstable.

The ones in UK are even MORE inbred as the few that were initially imported have been grossly inbred here.

Most pedigree breeders are aware of a small gene pool and the dangers of inbreeding.
But the Back yard breeders don't give a shiny shite, as long as they make their money.

At least the American breeders admit to the violence of these dogs - they aren't in denial giving it the ''Nanny dog's'' {sic} or ''big soft lump'' nonsense.

Comments under the videos also have people saying their XL Pit Bullies are aggressive.

The "pitmommies" and XL Bully lovers like the couple of posters (or is it one poster who keeps namechanging) simply DON'T CARE. They will, with their flawed logic and lack of intelligence, bat away any criticism or argument against their fur baby velvet hippo bestest boy. So it's pointless wasting your breath on these idiots.

All the rest of us normal folks can do is report to the police every single incident of one of these beasts unmuzzled and off the lead and stay the fuck away from areas where they are. Protect yourselves and your own kids, you cannot protect these people from their own utter stupidity.

All the rest of us normal folks can do is report to the police every single incident of one of these beasts unmuzzled and off the lead and stay the fuck away from areas where they are. Protect yourselves and your own kids, you cannot protect these people from their own utter stupidity.

It's such a shame for those of us who live in the areas they are prevalent though.

If your neighbour has one that is loud, always barking and being constantly shouted at by its owner, as long as it's muzzled on walks reporting it won't do anything as the owner can be as shit and lax as they want in their own home.

And if the fence isn't an especially high or strong one, it wouldn't be hard for them to get into the garden next door.

So that's me not having my little one in our garden this spring / summer 😞

Even the American breeders are “ Calling” ( Culling) some XLB’s for aggression.
The very creators of the type.
Too much of a risk around their own families-
They don’t mince words, either.

@whatsitcalledwhen That’s really bad.
These animals bust through fences and escape from crates easily .

People yelling at dogs and constant barking is so exhausting to listen to, never mind the risk of this animal attacking your child.

If you are concerned by or anxious about a dog, you can report it to the Dog Warden. Barking could be reported as a noise nuisance to Environmental Health.

'If a dog has attacked a person or animal, it is a police matter and you should contact them directly. Call 101 (or 999 in emergencies only).
If the dog poses an immediate threat to the safety of the public then it can be lawfully ordered to be destroyed by the police or other responsible person (e.g. a vet/local authority). This power comes from the fact that a dog is classed as property and it is lawful to humanely destroy it, if it is causing immediate damage/danger to people, animals or property.
If the dog has been established as dangerous but does not pose an immediate threat to the public etc, the court can order its destruction (whether or not there has been a prosecution conviction of the owner/keeper) and the court can also disqualify its owner from owning a dog in the future.'

It's so depressing @oakleaffy

Our first spring in our new house with a baby and we can't even enjoy our first ever little garden after years in flats.

@whatsitcalledwhen please contact your local dog warden. My friend had a similar situation a few weeks ago (it turns out the dog she was worried about was one of those ‘rescued’ from England). The owner was told to get a secure fence up and the warden was there twice weekly to ensure it was done, they had some sort of order slapped on them too. She reported it anonymously and so far so good, she can use her garden again. The owner of the dog was whining to other parents in the playground that if she didn’t comply the dog would be seized so they seem to be taking the new restrictions quite seriously.

What a bloody shame though, being scared to use your long awaited garden. I really hope you get it sorted

That's awful @whatsitcalledwhen . You absolutely should be able to use your garden without worrying about being mauled by an out of control animal.

It’s so utterly unfair that some insecure person’s choice of aggressive dog impacts on the safety and enjoyment of your garden.

I too have to walk in places where these horrible dogs are with my small well mannered dog-
It’s lovely visiting country living friends where no one owns XL bullies or pits.

Annoying Retrievers aren’t quite in the same dangerous league.

The points made above about armed response times are worrying- the adopter of the Hamilton one had a sustained mauling- his green undercoat was shredded as if it had gone through a tree bark chipper.

I'm the owner of one of these dogs and as much as I am so over trying to show they aren't all inbred and unhinged owned by riff raff who should not be allowed to own a hamster, I can still understand the fear from all the media and you can totally request a higher more stable form of fencing. We have a 6 ft fence between us and neighbour we are end house so have a 7ft wall on the other side and gate is locked with an industrial combination lock now to prevent the neighbourhood kids from coming in the garden as they used to come and say hello to the dogs if we were in the garden with them. I have a responsibility to make sure my dogs life doesn't hang in the balance and I take it very seriously. Our home has cameras all over , I wear a body cam when out walks , I have post it notes on my door reminding not to open the front door if my dog isn't shut in another room, rooms which now have locks to prevent him slipping out to the door while I am answering it to postman etc. So please don't think we are all the same and the dogs are all the same 😊. I worship the ground my dogs walk on and hate the thought of someone being frightened of my dog.

That's good you do all that @Irvine21 if you choose to have a very powerful breed of dog.

Unfortunately our neighbour is an arsehole. So we have to weigh up reporting vs the fallout of doing so as it would be obvious it had been us.

And frankly he's terrifying,

Well done @Irvine21 . A rare XL owner.

i have big precautions just for a sighthound as don’t want other dogs getting in ( or mine getting out!)

The neighbour I mean. And the dog. Both are terrifying.

And they have a tiny baby in the home too. Madness. Absolute madness.

Hopefully you wouldn't agree with having an XL bully with a baby in the home @Irvine21. It's complete lunacy when I see them out with the dog and the pram. 'Accident' waiting to happen.

We had 2 sighthounds and lost them both in the last year so no stranger to muzzles etc. in all honesty my bully definitely does not need a muzzle he has been well brought up and has had so much money spent on training it would make your eyes water. He has a family with a mass of dog experience but I muzzle him and follow the rules because as much as it boils my blood when people say horrible things about our chosen breed I care about him massively. I have experienced the loss of my first 2 dogs to old age and it is the worst feeling I've ever lived with so I certainly don't want to lose my bully to any simple mistakes I could make. I am so sad for our bully he is only 2 and he's so well mannered loves being around new dogs and people he's so trusting and luckily for us even with his muzzle on people are still interacting with him outside. I do worry the impact of isolating these dogs may have on some of them. Some owners have experienced such abuse in the streets that their dogs now only exercise in private fields which can lead to unsociable dogs and other behaviours that the world doesn't need in any dogs.