XL bully dogs and Scotland

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Another blinder by our "wonderful" government. I was not aware that the ban on these awful chav beast dogs only applied in England and Wales. No legislation to ban/restrict them in Scotland.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-67787667

Some dim woman who runs a "bullie rescue" says she has been "inundated". Isn't that just marvellous.

You missed a bit, @Buddybud . Every death has been a tragedy WHICH COULD POSSIBLY HAVE BEEN AVOIDED.

Chav beast. There you have it.. it’s class warfare.

More like class infanticide if you welcome one of those things into your home with small children.

@whatsitcalledwhen yeah

Dogs historically bred to fight other dogs aren’t bred to be aggressive to people. That’s the point.

The point is that it doesn't matter what they are/were bred for. They ARE aggressive to people. They are killing and maiming people and are such a risk that they have been banned. THAT is the point.

I would have thought that would have been crystal clear, obviously not. 🙄

So, as a dog lover, why the fuck would you want a breed that wants to fight others dogs?
There are no upsides to these dogs.

Well I love my staffie to bits. Have you ever met a staffie? Amazing dogs. Why would you want a dog that’s bred to hunt and kill foxes? Same thing really. It’s not a problem as long as you keep them under control .

What a selfish decision you've made then, to bring a large, strong dog you cannot overpower if necessary (because whether we're talking about a chihuahua or XL bully, a new environment is a high stress situation which has the potential to make any dog reactive and nervous) into your home with your children.

It's your job to prioritise your own children's safety, not prioritise the safety of someone else's dog. I don't know a single vet who would say that an XL bully is a suitable family pet. Let alone bringing in an XL bully that has lived elsewhere into a new environment with kids living there.

Such a foolish and selfish decision. Bizarre.

@Againstbsl24

It’s not a problem as long as you keep them under control

Genuine question - if the XL bully you've taken in gets a brain tumour / sudden pain / mistakenly over guards you from a perceived threat etc, what is your plan as an individual to 'keep them under control' if they go into attack mode?

How do you physically expect to do so when you cannot physically overpower them?

Even the most well behaved dogs can go into attack mode / exhibit aggression through no fault of their own if they have a brain tumour / seizure / many other issues.

If your new XL bully does so then you won't be able to physically stop them, no matter how well trained they are usually.

That's the point. That's the difference. If a Chihuahua attacks your child, you can quickly and relatively easily overpower them. Ditto a Jack Russell. Ditto many other breeds.

An XL bully? You can't. So you're risking your children's safety to play saviour to a dog. I think that's really sad.

She can't keep it under control, nobody can. Because these animals are far stronger than anyone. Fully grown men can't fight them off. A kid or a woman has no chance. Yet another deluded "animal lover".

Exactly.

None of them actually provide a plan when confronted with this fact though.

What is their plan if the dog goes into attack mode? Nobody has ever answered when I've asked.

They've just done the 'well a chihuahua could attack too' thing. And yes, a chihuahua could. And you could very easily kick it away. That's why the police haven't had to use guns or tasers on chihuahuas.

So to people who think an XL bully is an appropriate pet in a house with kids (like @Againstbsl24) what is your plan of action if they do go into attack mode for whatever reason?

Thats nice you love your staffy. Not sure I get the point about fox hunting? I am not sure anyone suggested fox hounds as a viable alternative to XLs of Staffies?

I would struggle to overpower my staffie to be honest, as would I struggle to overpower many different breeds of dogs so I don’t really follow that logic.

We’re all statistically more likely to get murdered by our husbands, yet I bet you don’t have a plan incase he goes into attack mode. If the dog bites, it gets put to sleep.

Well men make up about 50% of the adult population. If we are talking husbands in particular then most husbands will be in the same house as their wife. So the statistics would back that up. The proportion of houses that contain a bully dog will be quite small so yes statistically less likely overall than being attacked by your husband but I guess much higher chance percentage wise of being attacked by your bully than your spouse.

I'm sure someone cleverer than me can crunch the numbers.

If the dog bites, it gets put to sleep

by which point it’s already killed your son, mauled your mum or permanently disfigured your daughter.

but still. Poor wee fur baby, just wants live and rescuing and bestest boy and the rest of the nonsense people spout about these mutants.

@Againstbsl24

I would struggle to overpower my staffie to be honest, as would I struggle to overpower many different breeds of dogs so I don’t really follow that logic.

I can't follow the logic of having a child and proactively choosing to bring an XL bully (which as you know, is hugely stronger and even more difficult to overpower than a staffie) into their home. Genuinely, it baffles me that you would prioritise a dog you don't know over the wellbeing of your own children.

It's fucking insanity. Someone on my local Facebook page (I know I know) asked a question about muzzles and the replies were hair raising. I don't understand the level of cognitive dissociation going on around these dogs. It's absolutely bizarre, and quite worrying, that people are THAT stupid and deluded.

I just want them all gone from our streets and parks and beaches.

IF this post is real, you’ll be aware that tomorrow the restrictions start in Scotland.

You do know it’s illegal to rehome one of those things don’t you?

Heres a link for reference for you.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/ban-on-xl-bully-dogs

It’s a criminal offence to own or possess an XL Bully dog in England and Wales unless you have a valid Certificate of Exemption.
It’s also an offence to:

• sell an XL Bully dog
• abandon an XL Bully dog or let it stray
• give away an XL Bully dog
• breed or breed from an XL Bully dog
• have an XL Bully in public without a lead and muzzle

IF this is a real poster, (because let’s face it stupid does walk among us) yet again we have one of these abominations brought to Scotland to be “rehomed” by feckless owners who are probably of the mindset that it’s a velvet hippo 🙄.

I don’t actually think you did rehome a dog from England as no normal person is that stupid, I think you only posted for attention tbh.

I will point something out to other posters interested in this thread that poster says They can be dog aggressive if not socialised because of their breeding but not people aggressive. These things are dog aggressive, this has nothing to do socialising them - they are bred to be aggressive to other dogs, so if you have a dog and see one of these things, steer well clear of it! If they attack your dog and you try to intervene they WILL attack you.

Let’s hope so.

That idiot Siobhan woman on the telly again this morning saying that the situation whereby all the numpties brought their animals into Scotland to be "rescued" was the fault of the UK government for creating the loophole, and nothing whatsoever to do with their failure to act.

I saw someone say about her "in a village of idiots, she'd still be the village idiot"

😂 they really are delusional! UK didn't create the loophole they bloody did!

I'm not surprised the number of attacks has gone up in Scotland, people removing dogs with little understanding of dog behaviour, background of the dogs or assessments.
Any dog being rehomed will have heightened stress, anxiety etc. It takes a lot of work with any breed to build that trust and get rid of that. With a breed which gives little/no warning to flipping its just a recipe for disaster.

I have always had rescue dogs and always will, so have my parents but we always do a lot of work with them and know to be cautious. I don't blame a breed but I would not rehome one of these.

Nope. No fibs here. She’s settling in well. Totally ignores the cat, and good with my child although she came from a house with cats, dogs and kids. She even lived with house rabbits, She’s still getting used to my existing dog. She slept downstairs with my husband last night. She absolutely loved her walk this morning, you could tell she hadn’t been walked regularly but all that’s about to change. She does pull on the lead but that can be fixed with training. She seems like a lovely dog. You really needn’t worry, she’s on a lead and wearing a muzzle ffs. What more do you want?

Their dog fighting history is well removed, they can be fine with other dogs if they get good socialisation and training. They are great with people. The bad ones have been bred and trained to be aggressive. It’s not all of them. If you put your hand between two dogs fighting you are bound to get bitten regardless of breed.

They are great with people.

Except with the ones they maul to death.