XL bully dogs and Scotland

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Another blinder by our "wonderful" government. I was not aware that the ban on these awful chav beast dogs only applied in England and Wales. No legislation to ban/restrict them in Scotland.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-67787667

Some dim woman who runs a "bullie rescue" says she has been "inundated". Isn't that just marvellous.

Why the ? It’s not funny that two babies died.

Dogs and babies should never be left alone together. That woman has just learned in the cruelest way possible the truth of that.

@Irvine21
What breed is your boxer crossed with?
Wouldn't be put bull would it? To give it the big bully head?

A laughey face at the horrific death of two tiny babies?
Fuck me, now I've seen it all.

Also if you actually read the article it says labrador cross. And the picture of the dog looks nothing like a labrador.

Yes how can you find that funny, what a sicko.

And it was a labrador cross. Crossed with what I wonder?

@AIstolemylunch
Labrador crossed with a bully?
Funny people only mention the more docile breed of a cross, especially if crossed with a known aggressive breed such as XL or pit bull.

That’s no Labrador.
Looks like a pitbull-
very common for rescue centres to label pits “ Labrador cross”

But only a Pit apologist would smirk and grin at tiny innocent babies being mauled to death by a pit x

Looks Pit like. No Labrador looks like that.

What on earth went wrong in your life to think it's appropriate to post a 'lol' face alongside a news story about two babies dying?

Fuck me, you should be ashamed of yourself mate.

Doing lots to change the perception of these owners. 🙄 laughing about the deaths of babies. Just when you think the defenders of these beasts couldn’t sink ANY LOWER.

It’s like the gun laws in America - give mentally unstable people or people with low IQ levels something that has the potential to kill, and what could possibly go wrong?

I am laughing that a lot of people seem to think that a Labrador hasn't killed anyone only a strange person would think I am laughing at someone being killed by any dog. All dogs can be dangerous is my point so people should not be shamed for owning a bully breed when any dog can kill or even harm someone. I am not ok with any dog even barking at me no matter the size. Everyone who owns a dog should have it well under control

I am laughing that a lot of people seem to think that a Labrador hasn't killed anyone only a strange person would think I am laughing at someone being killed by any dog.

That's not how it came across. And as has been pointed out, it was a cross-breed, not a labrador, if you'd read the actual article and not just the headline.

Also she’s had to go to South America, almost 4 years ago for her labrador cross story. Whereas we can name dozens of cases, more recently, in the UK.

Lame.

@Irvine21

I am laughing that a lot of people seem to think that a Labrador hasn't killed anyone only a strange person would think I am laughing at someone being killed by any dog.

You accompanied a story about newborn twins being mauled to death by a dog with a laughing emoji and you think... other people are being strange? Goodness.

All dogs can be dangerous is my point so people should not be shamed for owning a bully breed when any dog can kill or even harm someone.

Any dog can harm and kill someone. But XL bullies make up less than 1% of dogs in the UK and are responsible for 44 per cent of attacks on people in 2023, and 75 per cent of fatalities since 2021.

They are hugely disproportionately more likely to cause harm and death in comparison to other dogs.

I am not ok with any dog even barking at me no matter the size. Everyone who owns a dog should have it well under control

Any dog, even a well trained one, can go into attack mode for reasons that aren't it's own fault. Brain tumour, pain response, misguided owner guarding. If the average lab (for example) goes into attack mode, it's very very likely that an owner could overpower them. If the average XL bully goes into attack mode, it's almost impossible for an owner to overpower them.

During recent attacks, while in attack mode they have been hit by steel bars and metal bins, fought by multiple adult men etc and not stopped the attack. They are too strong. They have recently had to be shot or tasered by police to contain them.

What is in it for you to deny the reality of those statistics? I'm genuinely baffled by it. How does it benefit you to ignore the disproportionate frequency of attacks and deaths by the breed? Or were you just unaware of how disproportionate they are?

Do you believe that a responsible parent who puts their children's wellbeing first would ever choose an XL bully as a family pet?

If you’re going to post a 😂beside a story of two babies killed by a dog then at least own your appalling judgement.

I'm genuinely curious what you think the average XL bully is because if you agree with the government description as the aver XL bully and think that you could fight it off over the average Labrador then I seriously worry for your rational thinking. My bully stands 21 inches to the withers, my Labrador stands at over 28 inches to the withers , my bully weighs a little under 30kg and my Labrador weighs 34kg. My bully is slow, my Labrador is really quick, my Labrador has a prey drive , my bully couldn't give a stuff about other animals. I have never heard my bully bark or act threatening in any way, my Labrador is really protective. I know which one I could fight off easier and my point is there is sooooo many dogs that are pumped into this that shouldn't be . My boy is crossed with a Staffordshire bull terrier and a boxer so he is tall if he was just over an inch shorter he wouldn't be included in this ban! , he came from a litter of 8 pups who we stay in contact with and he is the only one that's tall enough so how is he more dangerous when he has the exact same genes as the others

I’m not engaging with someone who posts laughing emojis next to a story of babies being killed and I care not one jot for your lab’s vital statistics.

Ffs it's not about comparing your specific dogs, it's about the risk factors overall or can't you get your head out of your own arse?

I'm sure if you look hard enough you'll find a case of someone dying from a hamster attack, I'd rather take my chances with hammy or a lab over a bully breed.

Exactly this. It's the stats on fatal dog attacks, and these make it very clear where the danger lies.

No litters of puppies ever have identical genes
They are not made from split eggs fertilised by one sperm , hence variation in sizes and type with crossbreeds- the phenotypes can be very different.

It’s possible with crossbreeds to have different sires in one litter as well- back yard breeders aren’t exactly careful, just after easy money.

@Irvine21

Any dog can harm and kill someone. But XL bullies make up less than 1% of dogs in the UK and are responsible for 44 per cent of attacks on people in 2023, and 75 per cent of fatalities since 2021.

They are hugely disproportionately more likely to cause harm and death in comparison to other dogs.

Do you not feel able to acknowledge these statistics? Do they not change your position on this at all?

Funny enough, there can be multiple children born from the same parents, some can even be twins or triplets. They could be brought up the same but have vastly different personalities. If one is involved in crime, I believe there is an increased risk that a sibling will also be but on the other hand they could be perfectly upstanding members of society. Increased risk is always a factor though.

I know - these are always laughable - have to trawl back through old (tragic, obviously) news, can't find anything in this country or even Europe, dog of dubious breed at any rate killing tiny babies.

Show us the Labradors killing grown men and needing police intervention to stop attacks, and we might see your side of the argument. I won't hold my breath.

There's no such dog as an 'XL Bully'. Had these mutts been called and recognised as what they actually are - pitbull mutations - then perhaps those who are misguided enough to own one might have least have thought twice about the safety of themselves and their children.

But of course their pitbull ancestry was never going to be acknowledged because pitbulls are a banned breed, and with very good reason. And the type of owner to whom these brutal, lethal liabilities appeal are not generally renowned for their common sense. Cf. the shameful comments upthread.

To be quite frank I care about my dog , who is nothing like any of the horrible dogs that have injured and killed people, I just think it is really sad that noone on here can see the impact this ban is having on some dogs that are not XL bullies. I said when the ban was announced that my dog would end up caught up in it and all my family said I was being silly. The looks on their faces when they seen the description of what the government class as an XL bully was utter shock . I am following all the rules well ahead of them even being in place , my dog was neutered a few years ago and chipped as a puppy , I also have 3rd party insurance for all my dogs, I always have and always will. There really are some responsible owners out there and it's sad to see people like myself tarred with some horrible names just because to be quite honest I am not a fan of small dogs in my home. I have always found them to be challenging and hard to read. I just am more suited to a larger breed of dog , all the information about getting a dog says research and go for a dog best suited to you and what you are able to provide for the breed. That's what I done, I have done everything right with my dogs and they have never put a foot out of line but yet people on here say that everyone who owns bullys are basically scum of the earth. I am totally ok if someone doesn't want their dog or child to be near my beautiful and well mannered dog that is totally their choice , same as I choose not to have small breeds but I wouldnt call the owners of small breeds out as all being the same and basically scum of the earth just because I personally feel small dogs are really unpredictable.