XL bully dogs and Scotland

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Another blinder by our "wonderful" government. I was not aware that the ban on these awful chav beast dogs only applied in England and Wales. No legislation to ban/restrict them in Scotland.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-67787667

Some dim woman who runs a "bullie rescue" says she has been "inundated". Isn't that just marvellous.

I think far too many people buy into the idea it's the owners.

I had a friend chatting about it the other day, it wasn't until we chatted about the instinct in huskeys to hunt and collies to herd than the penny dropped these dogs are bred to fight and the will turn with little warning.

This is very true.
People definitely aren't aware of how much a dog's instincts and drives are innate.

Fighting breeds don't give warning before 'striking'..it's bam! literally like flicking a switch.

Time after time a family whose children are severely mauled or worse say ''But we raised them from puppies!''

These dogs were so say ''Pets'' had been kept for eight years without incident.

The attack lasted over ten minutes according to the news.

Such a tragedy! And especially with the mother having two dogs to fight off the poor children didn’t stand a chance. I really don’t understand parents who have such dogs around their children. Sure you’re more likely to have an attack of your a neglectful owner but there are plenty of examples of just regular pets turning.

I remember reading about one fatal attack on a boy where the boy had been given a packet of crisps and it was thought the pit bull was jealous and went for him. Even if you know something about dog behaviour you can’t be expected to be constantly guarding and watching for signs in your own home all the time.

This is the description of the attack on the poor woman in Clackmannanshire, in her own words:
https://twitter.com/BullyWatchUK/status/1755215729077465460

If Scotland had banned the breed at the same time as England, this would never have happened to her.

Jesus. The poor kids. I'm not watching that, I'm afraid, it's too horrific to even think about.

And the poor woman. I'm just beyond fucked off that the bloody Scotgov had to refuse to listen YET AGAIN when people warned them about consequences of sloppy laws.

@ThomasinaLivesHere A Pitbull attacking a boy because he had the audacity to eat crisps around the dog?

ALWAYS an excuse given by pit apologists, the child was breathing in the vicinity of the pit, or someone sneezed.
they

Never acknowledging that the type is dangerous and unpredictable.

” He wouldn’t hurt a fly
but Chihuahuas
He’s a big old soft lump”

The Essex bloke is back pedalling like mad now saying XLB s should be banned-

But he knew they have been mauling people.

He’a facing jail most likely, so is trying to say all he can to ameliorate the possible sentence (?)

Jesus Christ.

https://news.stv.tv/west-central/woman-taken-to-hospital-after-attack-by-bulldog-type-dog-in-bothwell

Anyone care to bet a fiver this is another recent arrival?

Jeez, doesn't sound like they've traced the dog or owner either. 😡

I’ve just seen this and read a quote that the owner “just kept walking” whilst the woman was being bitten in the face. Is no one going to appear to tell us it didn’t happen? Or if it did it was the woman’s fault for intervening to save her puppy’s life?

Sadly this is TYPICAL of XL Pitbull/ Bully type owners.
” Pit and run”

These dog aggressive fighting types have generally speaking the worst owners.

Their horrible dogs “ Bully” other dogs, cats and people.

Hope the cowardly owner is caught.

This is why so many dislike bully breeds.

In USA, whenever someone is savaged by one of these dogs, pitmommies victim blame and post pics of their mauler alongside children or some brute wearing a pink tutu or flower crown while the victim lies in hospital or worse.

And another one in Liverpool.

https://www.itv.com/news/granada/2024-02-11/two-arrested-after-child-bitten-by-dog-in-bootle

Seriously, round the lot of them up and shoot them. Now.

My God.
These XL Pit Bullies are mentally unstable .
The poor boy.
I expect the Pit apologists will soon be posting pics of their monsters alongside children to try to “ show how much of a soft protective lump they are”🤢

This XL Bully has caused life changing injuries to an 8 yr old child .
These dogs are just too dangerous to have in society.
That silly woman who took in a female XL “ that was getting fatter and fatter” then produced 9 puppies is going to be way out of her depth when these stArt fighting ( which being littermates of a fighting type they will)
It’s so irresponsible as puts OTHER PEOPLE and animals at risk of their choice to own a large and aggressive dog ( nine of the brutes) .

Law needs to be much tougher on dangerous dog ownership.

Honestly what kind of person is still defending these creatures? Whenever, in our UK society, have we EVER heard of weekly dog attacks? Let alone one single breed. What is wrong with people?

I'm not sure if the problem is necessarily increasing as fast as it seems, maybe just that it's getting more coverage and it's potentially been this bad for a while but not overly getting reported?

I guess one thing the apologists have been right about is that the measures introduced won't stop this happening. The latest reported attacks have mainly been indoors where there is no requirement to muzzle or have on a lead. The Hamilton case being the exception and that dog was on a lead, and still uncontrollable. If it had had a properly fitted muzzle then maybe injuries would have been less life changing.

I'm not saying the measures shouldn't be introduced, I think they do protect wider society to a point where at least people can report breaches. But they don't go far enough to protect vulnerable people either living in or visiting homes where these dogs live.

People wouldn't be allowed to have a loaded gun freely available in their homes.

It just sickens me and I'm glad my DC are adults now and not potentially going into a friend's house to play with one of these dogs in it. As a parent I'd now be checking out what animals a person has before allowing my child over to play. How have we got to this point?

Agree @BigBoysDontCry unfortunately my son is 10 and terrified of dogs. He was attacked by a dogue de Bordeaux when he was 4, when we walk down the street I have to hold his shoulder or arm because his natural response is to run. Dogs will chase him if he runs, we are slowly trying to reintroduce him to dogs through therapy but the problem is most dogs that we meet are badly trained, on long line leads and have never heard of recall let alone muzzled. Before Christmas there was an idiot that chained his unmuzzled xl bully to a lamppost outside the school. The chain was just long enough so the dog could cover the whole pavement, all the school kids were walking into the road, in school traffic to avoid the bloody thing. Since the new legislation we haven’t seen it but friends in the village say he just lets it out in the garden and doesn’t bother to walk it.

I think the press are on the case and life changing attacks are getting reported where only deaths were reported before.

@Theyarehere That must have been terrifying for your son.
He needs a genuine therapy dog who has been trained BUT is genetically gentle and calm
This dog Is such a one

She quietly lies against people .

This thread is bull crap. How are XL bullies bred for aggression? There’s a difference between a bad breeding standard and actually breeding a dog for a specific purpose like herding or hunting. You’ll be pleased to know I have applied to adopt an XL bully before the ban on rehoming them happens. 👍🏻

Do you have children living in your home?

XL bullies make up only around 1 per cent of UK dogs but they’ve been involved in 44 per cent of attacks this year and 75 per cent of deaths in the last three years.
That makes them around 270 times more deadly than the remaining UK dog population.
Any dog can attack, even without naturally 'aggressive' tendencies. Even if XL bullies didn't have naturally aggressive tendencies in their DNA, the fact is that if they did go into attack mode through no fault of their own (brain tumour, pain, misguided owner guarding etc) then they are far, far more likely to cause catastrophic injuries or cause death than most other breeds.

Because a Jack Russell or poodle or chihuahua could absolutely attack you or your child, but you could easily fight them away from the child or yourself. XL bullies will not stop once in attack mode and recently attempts to stop attacks have included beating them away with brooms, metal bins and multiple grown men attempting to get them away from victims. One recently had to be tasered by police to contain it.

So why choose to bring an XL bully into the home? Why take the inherently greater statistical risk of doing so? And if there are children in the home, I'm even more interested in your genuine answer to those questions.

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Because I don’t believe in the hyperbole. I think you are being very black or white on your thinking. There are lots of dogs that fall into the XL bully type that don’t present a significant risk when handled by a responsible owner. Why should they die when they haven’t done anything wrong? I have an existing dog who we adopted six years ago, we are ready to give a home to another dog and XL bully types are very much in need just now.