XL bully dogs and Scotland

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Another blinder by our "wonderful" government. I was not aware that the ban on these awful chav beast dogs only applied in England and Wales. No legislation to ban/restrict them in Scotland.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-67787667

Some dim woman who runs a "bullie rescue" says she has been "inundated". Isn't that just marvellous.

And honestly, I feel sorry for everyone involved, and the dog.

I too wish there was an antidote to these violent attacks by these fighting breeds.
Whatever you do, don't do as I did and google ''Pitbull attacks against humans''

The little boy from 2011 {nasty facial bite} and a little girl in 2022 - they are horrible bites, but not the serious 'Chainsaw' type .
Dogsbite .org has assembled data far from 'Anecdotal', sadly} but based on actual human injuries.

It lists dangerous scenarios - and how to potentially avoid them.

https://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics.php

These dogs do tend to have a hard life - not given much exercise or good treatment- they can't help being horribly inbred, with unstable temperaments, and poor conformation that probably causes pain. They can't help inheriting ''Fighting Gameness''.

The XL 's recently whose owners have killed them - hit over head, mutilated, and latterly, thrown off an overpass - It's just barbaric.

A Pitbull called 'Ollie' was found in America brutalised by his disgusting owner.
I cried reading about poor Ollie. He didn't make it.

They have some very sick and violent people drawn to them, probably more than any other breed/type of dog.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4996144/florida-pit-bull-stabbed-voodoo-priest-owner-suitcase/

@oakleaffy I agree with you. They've got the same pathos as Dr Frankenstein's monster.

While the dogs aren't to blame, it's not their fault that they are bread to have a fighting nature, and are big and heavy. Too big and heavy for people to over come them.

Some one up thread asked would your rather be attacked by a lab or a pit bull / xl bully.
I'll take the lab thanks - I've got half a chance of being able to give it a kick and get it off me.

The police tried to tasser the dog the other night. It didn't work it took 4 bullets from the police to kill it.
I still can't stop thinking how long it must have taken from the dog sinking it's teeth into the guy - to the armed response guys being on site - Must have been 30mins at least.

I too see them as exactly that term.. 'Frankenstein's Monsters' ...'Created by evil humans to fight.

They {the dogs} are just doing what they have been selected for.
The developer of the Pit Bull {Colby} had his own Nephew killed by one, and another man was killed by one of Colby's Pits.

They are the antithesis of a ''Nanny'' .

You can see the resemblance to today's XL Pits.

These dogs are terrifying!

Any update is the government going to see sense and ban them like in England?

The situation is disturbing 😳 and people will be mauled/killed.

Anyone know what is the latest with that sanctuary being set up in Dundee ? Doesn’t bear thinking about….hopefully it won’t happen!

Yes the Scotgov backtracked and is banning them. But only AFTER a whole bunch of them have been imported to evade the ban down south.

Jeez!!!
They will be in the wrong hands too…usually scrotes …😟

I'm not sure hands has anything to do with their unpredictable temperament.

Good hand or bad hands they have an unpredictable nature and seem to be capable of turning on people for no apparent reason.
Their weight and size makes them impossible to over power.

It's a bit like a collie has herding and stocking bred into them these are unpredictable fighting dogs regardless of the owner.

yep agree they are so powerful that is what’s terrifying …

Any dog can turn.

The sensationalism around these dogs is ridiculous. Yes, bad breeding is a factor in some of these dogs, but they aren’t bloody supernatural or superhuman-dog. The banning of specific breeds will not resolve bad breeding.

Well yes they can and that is the point we've been making.

Given the overwhelming majority of dogs in this country are lab/lab crosses/doodles/spaniels/spaniel crosses/terriers/various wee white fluffy things etc. Why is it that a dog type in minority ownership is responsible for the vast majority of human deaths and serious injury and an unquantifiable amount of pet killings/attacks?

Is it that they turn more often? Is it that they do more damage when they do? Is it that they are near impossible to defend yourself from? Is it that the owners tend to be less responsible?

Looks like probably all of those and maybe more.

This programme exposes Pits and shelters for the ''Adopt a Pitbull'' at any price-shamelessly pushed onto families with young children with predictable outcomes.

In 2015 alone, Pitbulls and their crosses were responsible for the killings of 37,000 pet dogs and cats. People's cherished pets and children mauled.

@oakleaffy

Nah, my beloved cat was mauled by a fucking cocker spaniel. Awful owners didn’t see the need to put their dog on a lead despite it having no reliable recall. My staffie cross, who lots of people have labelled as a Pitbull gets chased by my chickens. If your dog is so prey driven it’s going to go for a cat, or another dog then don’t let it run around a housing estate or park off the lead.

It’s the owners, and a combination of other complicated factors, none of which is resolved by BSL.

Mutant dogs for mutant owners. Let's be honest generally the owners of these dogs are hardly worthy contributors to society.

So what solution do you suggest to resolve this public safety issue then?

Eradicate both..... I'm joking.
Not muzzled or on lead in public places
Pts.

@Worried2024 the dog that attacked the other day WAS on a lead. But so big and strong the owner couldn't stop it attacking the other man and then it turned on the owner (who'd only had it a fortnight)

@Buddybud absolutely any dog can turn.
The dogs that are bred to fight, with really powerful jaws, they are more likely to turn for no reason than dogs that have been bred to herd, retrieve stuff or lap dogs.
Their size makes them impossible for people to over power them.

You honestly don't even realise that you're arguing against yourself, do you?🤔

Of course any dog can turn. That's why most sensible people are keen to stick to ones that don't require tazers and shooting to stop before people are maimed or killed.

There is just no reasoning with some people @Sarvanga38 , how many times on this thread has it been said that being attacked by these things is so much serious than other smaller and more common breeds.

I don't think the legislation is perfect, but it sends out a strong message that these animals are something to be very wary of, and that it's really not socially acceptable to have one.

It seems Pit and XL apologists are hard if understanding.
The tired old arguments like
“ Chihuahuas are worse” ( like a popgun is worse than an AK47??)
Or “It’s how you raise them”
when innate drive is from selective (in) breeding

If one raised a Border Collie beautifully, it would still be keen to herd or do Flyball or use it’s brain.

Anything with Pit in it, especially these 🐖 pig 🦛 hippo looking brutes do need police firearms teams to get them to stop attacking-
often several rounds as well-

If a smaller dog was to attack, it would be far easier to stop, but this is always denied by Pit advocates

I finally got a reply from my green MSP (well his office assistant). It's very lengthy and I've not read it all. I kinda stopped when I got to the recommendation to watch Maggie Chapman. I'll consider my response over the weekend....