XL bully dogs and Scotland

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Another blinder by our "wonderful" government. I was not aware that the ban on these awful chav beast dogs only applied in England and Wales. No legislation to ban/restrict them in Scotland.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-67787667

Some dim woman who runs a "bullie rescue" says she has been "inundated". Isn't that just marvellous.

@Irvine21

Do you genuinely think that labradors are anywhere near as likely to cause a fatality as an XL bully or a pit bull? You seem to be saying they are comparable so I just wanted to clarify if that's what you're saying?

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Excuse the messy link. This poor guy was attacked at Stratford station and is lucky he got away, at one point he nearly winds up under an oncoming train.

At the end you can clearly see that both dogs are very much possesion of their testicles.

I didn't use the word 'triggered', but what I meant was dogs can get brain tumours, alzheimers, or have a traumatic experience that means they become reactive and aggressive. Being in pain can also cause them to be more reactive and sometimes aggressive. If you're honestly not aware of that then it is concerning.

RSPCA advice on dog aggression:

'WHAT CAUSES A DOG TO ATTACK?
Dogs can attack for a number of reasons, but all can be traced back to the basic
threat. It is important when viewing this to do so from the dog’s perspective. Dogs can feel threatened by lots of different things depending on what their breed was originally developed to do and their upbringing. Dog breeds that were originally bred to be guards may be more inclined to attack if they feel their territory is threatened. Even if we know the postman does not pose the same threat as a burglar, the dog treats them the same. Dog breeds that were originally bred to retrieve game may be more inclined to defend things they have in their possession, whether it is their own toy, or something they have “stolen”. The threat may even come from trying to stop them doing something they enjoy. Dogs that have had bad experiences, for example of being attacked by other dogs, may feel threatened by new dogs they meet. Dogs may even attack because they are hurt or in pain.'

https://www.rspca.org.uk/adviceandwelfare/pets/dogs/behaviour/aggression

Ok this is facts! I don't know how much clearer I need to be ...a Labrador may not be as likely to cause a fatality as an XL bully but YES it is much more likely to attack than an XL bully

Where on Earth are you getting the figures to back up that claim?

Do you mean that because Labradors are more numerous there are more incidents of aggression involving Labradors?

I think you're confusing some statistics.

You may be more likely to get bitten by a Labrador than an XL bully because there are far more Labradors than XL bullies.

That is not the same as saying Labradors are more likely to bite people than XL bullies.

Can you see the distinction? I can't work out if you can but are ignoring it, or genuinely can't see the difference.

And regardless, doesn't it make sense that the government would focus on a breed most likely to cause fatalities?

Ok this is facts! I don't know how much clearer I need to be ...a Labrador may not be as likely to cause a fatality as an XL bully but YES it is much more likely to attack than an XL bully

This isn't correct at all. There are only more labrador bites because there are far more labradors kept as pets.
It isn't the case that there are higher bites per capita from labs.

@Irvine21 you could compare the stats as dog bites per 1000 of labs, or fatalities per 1000 of labs, and then look at bites per 1000 of XL bullies or fatalities per 1000 of XL bullies. That way you can compare the rates.

They are just dogs like any other dog

As has been repeated several times on this thread, they are not like "any other dog" because with smaller breeds you have a chance of fighting them off, and other breeds are not inbred to appeal to neds, dog fighters and people who want a dog to look scary.

There is an incredible amount of XL bullies in the UK that are not abkc registered so when you count those the bite statistics are nothing.

Christ alive, do you know how many unregistered Labradors there are and have been for decades? Believe me, it's a darn sight more than XL Bullies.

There really is no educating some people. Obviously a lot of the attacks that have happened won't be prevented by the ban, in that they have been in the home or dogs that have escaped. The hope is that this ban will make it less socially acceptable to own these dogs and their numbers will reduce drastically.

You can't even compare Pit Bulls to XL Bullies. There is no way that every Tom, Dick and Harry had/have a Pit Bull in the way that so many 'normal' families have them now.

Oh, and yes I am a dog lover. I'll stick on the side of the many poor pet dogs and their owners who have been injured or killed though, as well as the poor children whose idiot parents subject them to these dogs.

Are you broken?

I really hope you are not this lax with your views in real life, or that you subject any children to your utterly shameful ignorance about the danger of bull breed dogs.

As I said previously, my friends lovely well brought up dog in a loving, dog experienced family suddenly developed epilepsy. Came round from its first fit and was clearly confused and frightened and attacked her. She was able to fight it off and leave the room with a few bruises and scratches. If it had been an XL bully the chances of the same result are slim.

www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/11822487/pensioner-serious-injuries-mauled-xl-bully-attack/

He's a reactive dog says owner.

Now being put down voluntarily for the safety of his family.

But he clearly thought it was fine to send two pensioners round to look after it when he went on holiday. Give me strength.... 😡

They are all such soft sweethearts aren’t they? Totally safe to be left with anybody. Over the coming months there will be many more stories like this but the reports won’t include the dogs ripped apart or the non fatal or “less” serious maulings.

Totally agree but I bet journalists are staking out hospitals for anyone with dog bites.

And if I was a dog warden I'd be whistle blowing my arse off feeding details of dog on dog attacks too. So much of this is undercover and we need dangerous dogs of all breeds appropriately dealt with.

Another attack by a bully that was a lovely family pet up until the moment it bit chunks off someone? Surely not! The media must have confused it with a labrador or chihuahua.

Yep, an XL bully that you already know is reactive and you have it in your house and have older family members go round your house to look after it... What could possibly go wrong? 🤔

https://news.stv.tv/scotland/i-was-mauled-in-horror-xl-bully-attack-days-before-christmas

I’m not sure if this is true or not but I heard today the dog that did this was one that had been rehomed to Scotland. It’s since been destroyed.

God, that poor woman. I hope she recovers.

Poor woman, how frightening.

What a relief it wasn't a Chihuahua.

What a relief it wasn't a Chihuahua.

Indeed, that would have been even worse for sure. 🤔

For the first time locally, I met one of these things on my walk this morning. I already knew I fully supported the restrictions, but was certainly extremely glad that this thing had a very well fitted and robust muzzle on. Very ‘rigid’ attitude towards my dogs with hackles slightly raised - I would certainly not have wanted to meet it without.

@Sarvanga38 Are you sure it’s hackles weren’t raised at you and not your dog? I mean if you looked at me like I was a piece of rubbish, I’d probably have my hackles up too!

😂

(Actually the muzzle law worked to the owners' advantage - if they cared about people avoiding them and their dog, at any rate. If it hadn't had the muzzle, I would not have been anywhere near it to pass a few pleasantries with the owner, that's for sure, but even then I didn't linger long.)

Two men hospitalised in Hamilton and police shoot dead what the not particularly literate Glasgow Live describe as a large "bulldog type" dog.

I somehow doubt it was an English Bulldog. Very good chance it was a recently English Bully though.

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