XL bully dogs and Scotland

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Another blinder by our "wonderful" government. I was not aware that the ban on these awful chav beast dogs only applied in England and Wales. No legislation to ban/restrict them in Scotland.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-67787667

Some dim woman who runs a "bullie rescue" says she has been "inundated". Isn't that just marvellous.

Emm is it the ones that's been heavily overbred, mistreated, neglected and taught to attack by immature hoodlums/greeders and drug dealers looking for a status symbol who shouldn't own a lead let alone a dog?

This is the part that worries me about them that it's taken multiple adults to bring one down in attack mode.

I've grown up around larger breeds - own a greyhound she isnt small and if she shes a squirrel is very strong! staffies and staffie crosses (very different from xl bully). But I wouldn't go near a xl bully despite growing up and I used to volunteer with dog rescue centres.

It's not the dog it's the owners but with any breeding for trait if you are breeding for attack mode then there will be a element which is there. Sadly a lot of dogs will be put down because of becoming a status symbol. Unfortunately they will move to the next breed and until owning a dog becomes like getting a driving licence and failure to do so results in significant consequences then it's just going to be a never ending cycle.

If any breed requires multiple people wielding weapons to overpower it if in attack mode then yes I think it should be a banned breed.

An XL bully recently continued attacking after being hit with a hammer and had to be tasered by police to contain it once not conscious. It simply couldn't be overpowered while conscious.

It's ludicrous to suggest someone can be a responsible parent when they choose an XL bully as the family pet. The risk taken is not adequate safeguarding for any children in the home.

If that was in response to me then the quote button is your friend.

I asked for breed. Which one is it - remind me?

Dog breeds have different traits. This is not really a controversial observation. They have been selectively bred over many generations to develop those traits.

This is why we have 'sheep dogs' who are good at herding sheep, for example.

Some breeds have 'digging' or scent skills, some are good hunters, runners, herders etc.

Some breeds are violent, aggressive, and enormously strong.

These breeds are 'Dangerous Breeds', and some are banned in law.

Oh god you are ludicrous 😂 people like you are part of the reason large breed dogs are looked down upon and the best about it is you've more than likely never owned one. Now, you are certainly not a proper dog lover!

Many large breed dogs have lived long and happy life's with families (shock horror!) Who are you to say what breed people should have?

I'm not wasting any more time on stupidity, go educate yourself properly on the breed and give your head a wobble.

Oh thanks didn't know I was here for a English lesson!

And that would be xl's but as stated above these are/were the current status dog. Same with the rottweiler, staffies, pitbulls ect.

How did that work out for the country? We need licensing not bsl.

I see one regularly when I’m out walking and he is a lovely friendly dog. The amount of muscle on him is scary though.
I know someone with a family member who had an XL bully they thought of as their child. It attacked them whilst they were in bed. They managed to lock themselves in a bathroom and call out the window for help. Dog had to be destroyed and they both had terrible injuries.
They just need to stop breeding them.

The irony of you calling other people stupid when you've defended parents specifically choosing an XL bully as a family pet is almost impressive.

I really hope you say all this online but in reality would actually safeguard your own children adequately and not expose them to such unnecessary risks.

What has the quote button on MN got to do with an English lesson?

That’s right - it’s the XL bully that’s been responsible for more fatal attacks than any other dog as a % of the total. (That wasn’t a maths lesson btw)

XL Bullies bred from pitbulls are definitely NOT like 'normal' large dogs.
No one is afraid of a Greyhound or Great Dane -Rottweilers can be aggressive, but no dog apart from XL Pits have such a reputation for mauling.

They cannot be ''called off''. They aren't ''trained'' to be aggressive, it's in them, innate, that likelihood to just turn without warning.

People's children have been killed by Pits when they have been raised as puppies by Pit advocates.

This is a mailman being attacked -there were various people who tried to help.

The attack goes on for many minutes.

The dog is repeatedly beaten over the head with a metal spanner, and other things, and it just made it attack all the harder.

At the end it releases, only to target others.

The dog just looks a little dazed at the end, despite multiple blows to the head.

The skulls on these are massively dense, to withstand blows from Bulls - they are not like 'normal' big dogs.

Look at the end of this dash cam vid how this thing ''comes back to life'' and goers to attack again.

{Caution: Strong language.}

Bloody brilliant news.

@oakleaffy oh my god that was horrific. Those people were so brave (except the owner). I am so glad that these monsters are being banned. I don't think the laws go far enough.

Why do ALL of the owners of these things always say:

• He's just a big softie
• He wouldn't hurt a fly
• He's just a big lovable lump
• He's so amazing with my baby/child
• etc, etc, etc

WTF is wrong with these people who want these dogs to exist? ARE THESE PEOPLE JUST THICK???

It has to be some sort of stubborn denial.
The list you gave as to “ Excuses”is so utterly predictable.
Except you left out the main one:

”Nanny Dog’s” (sic)

This really is the oft spoken myth and lie- they were never Nannies.

That was made up in the 1950’s in an article in USA

No dog has ever been used as a Nanny.

Peter Pan and the Newfoundland dog called “Nana” is the only thing searchable, and that’s a fictional story.

@oakleaffy I think people who own these dogs know that they are dangerous. BUT they are probably not deliberately trying to intimidate other people, by walking around with them.

Im no psychologist, but I know (lived experience) that trauma causes a feeling of powerlessness and loss of control. Which can be very painful, scary and sometimes impossible to admit, even to oneself. People will do ANYTHING other than face those feelings. So what better way to overcome/deny those feelings than to get a beast, capable of killing adult humans, and believe that you have total control over it. What an effective way to overcome feelings of feelings of powerlessness?? To believe that you have the power to control this huge, strong, powerful animal.... and that you even have the power to make this beast into a big soft lump of adorable cuteness, that you can even allow to cuddle up with your own precious young children. Of course this is all subconscious.

I feel bad that I said that these people are thick. They aren't, they are just people who are not able to cope with their own difficult emotions.....just trying to evade those feelings in the same way that people use drugs, alcohol, gambling or any other compulsive behaviour.

It's a very sad situation for those people, the dogs, but especially for the innocent adults and children who get caught up in being mauled and attacked.

I 100% agree with the ban. Innocent people are being seriously hurt and killed. It's a very very sad situation.

@oakleaffy .... I completely agree with your post where you used the word 'denial'. Suddenly it makes sense!

So insightful … and you say you’re not a psychologist?

Yes, people who think they have special knowledge, ability, or power to be able to handle a dangerous dog. It makes them feel invincible or superior to people who are afraid of them. I also think some of them enjoy frightening the general public/other people, it makes them feel powerful.

And sometimes projection, too, people who think that they are misunderstood and imagine others are 'misunderstanding' dangerous dogs.

People often feel like they have special connections with tigers too. Then they get mauled by them. Funnily enough we can’t keep them as pets either.

There’s a definite hierarchy amongst dog owners. I’m at the bottom because I have a doodle mix, whereas the ones who rescue bullies see themselves as a special set at the top end who understand dogs and dog behaviour far better than anyone else. The rest of us just don’t understand these very special dogs like they do - they can practically commune with these animals.

Till it turns and rips their face off.

Exactly.

Actually it's because they think it makes them look 'cool'. In real life but especially in social media. And that is more important than anything (including their family's safety).

This is very interesting...Robert Cabral speaks so much sense re dangerous XL Pit Bully mixes - a family in America had two rescued ones from puppies and they dismembered the children and attacked the mother.

Well worth listening to.
He thinks one of the babies was possibly crying which triggered the dogs... the crying and flailing probably triggered the dog into heightened levels of excitement.

He also speaks out about people sitting their toddlers on dog's backs.

That was shocking to watch. Those dogs have no place in our homes or streets.

This is the problem with overbreeding dogs without a function.

Fighting dogs should be human-safe, because (if fighting) even when highly aroused they needed to be handled. Either to be put into or removed from a fight or to be treated for wounds.

So there was a selective pressure for aggression towards other animals but not handlers. Any dog that turned on a handler would not be bred from, or if they couldn't be treated when injured would die. Older fighting breeds will have been bred to be bombproof around humans, because only non-human aggressive dogs would be bred.

XL bullies don't fight, so their temperament when aroused is never tested. They have no selective pressure for that (just cosmetic to develop huge amounts of muscle), and dogs are bred from so much and have large litters to pass their traits on to.

In small countries like the UK, where there has been a massive increase in a very short time, any bad genes probably run through a lot of the population because they're quite inbred.

Disclaimer: Obviously I'm not advocating a return to dog fighting, but historical fighting is what makes other fighting breeds safer.