XL bully dogs and Scotland

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Another blinder by our "wonderful" government. I was not aware that the ban on these awful chav beast dogs only applied in England and Wales. No legislation to ban/restrict them in Scotland.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-67787667

Some dim woman who runs a "bullie rescue" says she has been "inundated". Isn't that just marvellous.

I love the SNP's use of 'loophole', as if there's anything ambiguous about the current situation.

Audrey Nicoll is my constituency MSP - dont think she's ever responded to any emails I've ever sent

Marra’s committee noted that unlike in England there is no system in place to quantify the number of injuries caused by dogs.

Ah ha! That's more like the "Evidence-based policy making" we've come to expect from the Scottish Government.

Exactly the same as with the harms of gender self-ID, where you don't record people's sex anymore, and don't record the crimes committed by 'transwomen' (just recording them as women/female crimes), and don't ask women how they feel about having to be undressed in from of AGP men/being beaten in sport by an AGP man/sharing a refuge with AGP men/being intimately examined by AGP men/being counselled after rape by an AGP man, and then the Scottish Government can confidently say there is no evidence of any harms of self-ID.

So they are going to wait for 'evidence' of harms from XL Bullies to emerge, but actually they have no way of (and no intention of) collecting the evidence and so, like magic, XL Bullies are not a risk when they're in the progressive utopia of Scotland.

What a small minded statement! "chav beast dogs" are actually very loving, loyal, family dogs that a majority have lived happy and peacefully within a family home setting 🏡 obviously you have never owned one and shouldn't be making such ridiculous statements without first hand knowledge of the breed. Blame the right end of the lead, instead of spreading your small minded hate speech!

Yes that’s right - they’re all just lovely family pets that are in no way responsible for the many dog on dog attacks and or the overwhelming majority of fatal attacks on humans 🙄

Unfortunately we can’t ban the idiots at the other end of their leads but we can ban the dogs, thankfully.

Loving family dogs....

https://www.itv.com/news/granada/2024-01-08/man-shouted-get-her-while-setting-xl-bully-dog-on-woman

https://www.portsmouth.co.uk/news/crime/dog-that-savaged-terrified-waterlooville-woman-outside-home-is-confirmed-as-xl-bully-and-is-detained-4470252

https://www.shropshirestar.com/news/local-hubs/oswestry/2024/01/10/xl-bully-cross-dog-leaps-a-gate-and-knocks-child-onto-the-road-magistrates-are-told/

Starting to think there is a sub-section of dog owners who really are very dim.

Unfortunately we can’t ban the idiots at the other end of their leads

I would so vote for that ✔️

The vast majority of XL bully owners haven’t got 2 brain cells to rub together, they would soon change their tune if their beloved fur baby turned on them or their family 🙄

And the point we keep making is that even if you ignore the extra liklihood of violent bahaviour bred into these dogs and accept that some are mild natured. Every dog has the capability to snap and attack. If the dog is a spaniel etc the chances of dying other than from sepsis are slim, if that dog is a large breed with a prey instinct, large jaw and likes to lock on and tear, the outcome is likely to be very different.

Each to their own but for me, having a dog like that in your house with children is idiotic.

I'm on another thread where details from a Dr/surgeon about the difference in the bites they are trying to repair in children is like night and day. Bites previously were likely to be puncture wounds or surface level gashes. Now from these dogs it's gaping flesh woulds and tears, if the person has survived.

Ban announced....

news.sky.com/story/xl-bully-dogs-to-be-banned-in-scotland-scottish-government-confirms-13045216

Do you think that it is ever a sensible decision for a parent to proactively choose an XL bully as the family pet rather than any of the other many breeds available?

Would you rather be stuck in a room with an XL bully or a lab? Or a spaniel? Or a chihuahua?

If a lab, spaniel or chihuahua has a rubbish owner, do you think they could cause the level of harm to a human that an XL bully could?

I'd be interested in your honest answers to those questions.

Quelle Surprise. Nostradamus-level prediction powers were not required.

Thank goodness. Don't see it on BBC news yet but it's obsessed with the post office.

Are they all going to get shipped off to NI now?

@BigBoysDontCry where is this thread?

Fantastic!!!!! Now get rid of these things once and for all 🎉

Tried to link but I'm on my phone and I'm being a bit think today, it's this one.

Article in the Times about the incoming ban, with a handy timeline at the end:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/9e2e2505-e376-4618-beb0-b2a27e62c4f4?shareToken=eb0bb9466cbdb1edc517e21da1c772e6

As long as behavioural checks and assessments have been done by professionals then yes, if that's the breed the family like then why not? I've been brought up and own large and small breeds which none of have ever harmed a single soul (though my pug does have napoleon syndrome 🙃 and would try fight a lion if she could).

As for being stuck in a room with the above breeds..any apart from the chihuahua.

And yes a labrador could cause fatalities if determined to do as as could most large breeds!

Which breed has been responsible for the most fatal attacks as a percentage of the total in the last few years? @Missmckenzi I’ll give you a clue - it’s not a labrador, pug or chihuahua.

If you'd genuinely rather be stuck in a room with a chihuahua you don't know than an XL bully you don't know, then you aren't really a true dog lover.

Not because you don't like chihuahuas (they aren't for me either) but because dog lovers should respect the differences and qualities of individual breeds.

And a thoughtful dog lover capable of sensible risk assessment (vital to keep both dog, owner, family members and the public as safe as possible) would not prefer to be in a room with a dog they don't know capable of killing them because they cant couldn't physically overpower, rather than a dog they absolutely can physically overpower if necessary.

You can't argue with stupid unfortunately. Facts don't apply when you are excusing your poor decisions.

If you pug had a brain tumour / mistakenly perceived a threat and tried to protect you / got a fright and reacted in terror, going into attack mode, someone could absolutely overpower it.

If those things happened to an XL bully, it's very unlikely (vanishingly so) that they could be overpowered in attack mode.

Surely you see the difference? Any dog can bite. And dog can fight. Most dogs can be overpowered if needed. XL bullies can't. Let alone by children in a family home.

How does my preferences of large breed over small mean I'm not a true dog lover..😂. Any dog can turn, should we cull the st. Bernard's, wolfhounds, great Danes, bernese mountain, labrador retrievers, douge de bour doux ect and just leave the tiny ones to suit you?
No dog should ever be left alone with a child regardless of size, that comes down to irresponsible owners, not the breed.