XL bully dogs and Scotland

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Another blinder by our "wonderful" government. I was not aware that the ban on these awful chav beast dogs only applied in England and Wales. No legislation to ban/restrict them in Scotland.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-67787667

Some dim woman who runs a "bullie rescue" says she has been "inundated". Isn't that just marvellous.

Couldn't agree more @ArabellaScott. It's not "hysteria" to want sensible regulations to apply UK wide.

Absolutely true.
Our Dog Wardens also say they are an absolute liability -far too heavy and strong for even a grown man to manage, never mind a woman...heck, ours is a fit young man and he says they can drag him about.
They are also extremely dog aggressive, because of the Pit Bull DNA so target small, peaceful dogs on walks, and the owner of the XL {IF they have it leashed} often got pulled over, or they never had the thing leashed in the first place.

This is a pic of one that was due to be 'Transported' to Scotland but was too human aggressive {never mind dog aggressive}

The bloke doing the transports said he couldn't do it.

This is a man who knows and likes this type of dog.

Goodness knows what happened to this XL, called 'Cookie' - it was brought along for 're-homing' by a pregnant woman.

Goodness knows where this aggressive dog is now- seems the original owners wanted rid.

Just to point out here people trying to link this issue to ferries are on a hiding to nothing. Not the best way to garner a collective, convincing response to pressure the Scottish government to do something. Dog legislation is a very divided issue and if you make it simply an anti-SNP issue you just split that voice further, making it much less effective.

I don't think some of the people on this thread bleating about the entirely reasonable restrictions on XL bullies know the first thing about any bull breed. Our darling, compact little Staffie who we had from rescue after he'd been left to starve was the strongest dog I've ever known, even in old age. He was a fraction of the size of these dogs, 13 kg. The fact he was sweet natured, lovely with everyone and a wannabe lapdog doesn't change that. No single person could control an XL who goes for a kill.

Noone against the restrictions on these threads has really explained why so many are being rehomed in Scotland and I conclude that their "loving owners" were not actually loving at all and simply cannot be arsed (especially when they won't be able to breed from them) You can afford to feed one of those giant dogs, you can afford the exemption, insurance, neutering etc, and if you "really" can't you shouldn't have had them in the first place.

Staffies are very strong..and much much smaller than XL's {also far gentler}

I once {this summer} had to grab hold of the collar of a massive XL {colour of a mouldy bap} and it was so phenomenally strong.
I had both hands on it's collar and it pulled me of my feet and dragged me down some steps in the corner of a field where it had cornered my terrified little pet dog. {I was injured bruising and muscle skeletal and tendon injuries} and took weeks to recover

I am used to horses and this thing was stronger than a horse, built like a hippo massive thing with a head as wide as its body.

A Staffie is a much smaller dog with a completely different head shape and larger, kinder eyes.

An XL has attacked a woman recently - it got her on her abdomen was on today's news.

" *The woman was left “shocked and scared” as the ferocious animal bounded up the stairs of her communal address in Laburnum Road, Waterlooville, before lunging at her and sinking its teeth into her stomach. She was left with a large gash across her belly which was treated at a hospital walk-in centre where she was given antibiotics for seven days.

Police and Havant Borough Council are investigating the “awful” incident at the Guinness Partnership address just before Christmas on December 22. The woman, aged in her 30s who does not want to be named, said she had just returned home and was about to open her door when she was suddenly mauled by the “aggressive” dog, which had no muzzle or lead on.* ''

Pic of Staffie here...obvious difference in shape and size.

As usual, Scotland does things better than the English, at least that's what the FM thinks:

“We are monitoring the situation, keeping close to those on the ground. We have a very controlled and quite tight regime when it comes to the management of animals, control of dogs, and that is something that is quite unique in Scotland compared to other parts of the UK,” he told Bauer Media.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/a66b0b28-f275-4bc0-8a64-24871b8439ca?shareToken=ca88b050995d22cff91eb966f6be686a

Tight regime. Oh, boy.

Tight regime 😂
They really do live in a different reality, don't they?

I think the ferry point was more about the general incompetence of the government. This is another point of legislation that they have screwed up, like Named Person, the recycling bottle deposit thing, the self-ID.

And is the public really so divided on these animals? I do not know anyone in real life who would be all "awww, poor misunderstood bullies, lovely dogs who just need the right owner, bring them all to Scotland the more the merrier". The most vocal poster in their defence on here isn;t even living in Scotland, so clearly has a different perspective.

Do we have a "controlled and quite tight regime" to control dogs in Scotland? Because as far as I can see it, there is no proactive legislation. No requirement for licensing, chipping, registration, neutering. There are just as many badly trained and behaved dogs in Scotland as there are in other parts of the UK. Useless talking out his backside again?

It's fine for Useless though isn't it? He doesn't have to live in a deprived area where neds will be parading around with these things.

Maybe it’s that politicians are detached from the average Scottish person who seems to be poorer than the average English person. Maybe they think the dog is part of normal Scottish culture.

Funnily, as I've said before, this tight regime in Scotland basically offers no protection. We've had the fog warden involved on numerous occasions, our councillor is involved, another councillor lives on our estate though this isn't his ward.

The most action we have is that one owner (of 3 who breeds them) has been told he should only walk one at a time. The one identified as responsible for 2 dog attacks is supposed to be walked on a leash. He doesn't comply, we've supplied photo evidence of non compliance and dog warden can't do anything other than basically remind the owner.

On a seperate occasion, young children playing in the park on the estate were chased by 2 of these dogs but a parent got them into a nearby house before any harm was done. Maybe they just wanted to play but the children were terrified. Advice from dog warden was to club together for a 6 foot high fence round the park.

So tight regime my arse.

I also wouldn't want to be the warden going round to these houses.

Well quite. Go to Broughty Ferry (where Useless lives), Bearsden or Morningside and the badly-behaved "he's only being friendly" dogs you will come across are the cockapoos, labradoodles, sausage dogs. Annoying when they get under your feet, can potentially give a nasty nip, unlikely to kill you. Go to Granton, Easterhouse or Raploch in Stirling and it's probably a very different story.

I don't live in a deprived area, I do however live across the road from one. Similar sizes of estate but our side has access to a football field and a paved walk beside the river so it's popular to walk dogs.

Dog warden estimates 30 XL bullies or type over the road (guy breeds them and locals buy them) and that was a while ago. Dog ownership in general is probably higher in our estate but there are none of these instead we have labs/spaniels/terriers and of course 10 million cockapoos...

The Scottish poverty rate is lower than England

Dog warden estimates 30 XL bullies or type over the road (guy breeds them and locals buy them) and that was a while ago

That's really worrying, especially as there could well be significantly more now.
Everything crossed they do wake up and bring in similar criteria in Scotland before anything happens.

Oh is it

Well MsWest says so, so it must be. 🙄

Critical thinking never a strong point of the SNP shills. No one definition of "poverty", this debate has been raging for over a century, what is poverty, how do you define it, where do you draw the line. But hey, can't have anyone disagreeing that the SNP have created a socialist utopia in Scotland...

It was I who mentioned ferries and it was, indeed, to point out the general incompetence of the current administration. I'm not anti SNP but I am opposed to incompetence and delusional thinking

So hostile?! I can give you sources if you like? The point is previous poster said Scottish people 'seem poorer' than English which may be the perception but its not backed up by data. I don't think I ever said the SNP created a socialist utopia 😂

It’s terrifying they need to ban them like in England…these dogs are so powerful and can kill impossible to stop them if they turn.

I read a woman wants to open a sanctuary in Dundee god forbid!

This needs stopping …why are they delaying is it just to be different?! Beggars belief

The refusal to implement restrictions on XL bullies is yet another example of Scot Gov policy based on a desire to be "different" rather than on any actual evidence. Clearly dogs in Scotland are the same as dogs in England and there are irresponsible dog owners here also.

Useless is more hung up on Israel/Palestine than fixing problems in Scotland ….he is abysmal!

This is the crux of it, I think. These are poor people problems; the SNP just don't care. They're not shiny fashionable causes, just mundane matters of health and safety.