XL bully dogs and Scotland

[CoatOfArms]

Another blinder by our "wonderful" government. I was not aware that the ban on these awful chav beast dogs only applied in England and Wales. No legislation to ban/restrict them in Scotland.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-67787667

Some dim woman who runs a "bullie rescue" says she has been "inundated". Isn't that just marvellous.

Now I understand the government’s plan- send lots of distressed, potentially dangerous dogs to Scotland, probably without enough space or exercise , and have plausible deniability.

But what possible motivation do they have to reduce the population of Scotland?

It is hysteria. Absolute hysteria. Anyone would think there are hoards of rampaging bullies scouring Scotland. It would be funny if it wasn’t so blinkered and uneducated. Do you always believe the media hype.
Pray to God we never have a war because we will never win another. Actually perhaps we can send the XL bullies in!

Do you not think, every single XL could be euthanised and people won’t breed something even more dangerous?
Why don’t you put your efforts into asking the powers that be to stop Greeders breeding their dogs, stop puppy farming etc.

There are other guardian breeds such as the Turkish Kangal, Presa Canario which are banned in other countries because they have killed. Most dogs are not dangerous.
Most XL’s do not look like the photos you see in the media. They’re like a taller staffie.

I volunteered at a rescue, walking these dogs, (and other breeds) occasionally taking my child with me. During the cull, I raised money to spay/neuter the XL’s they had to rehome, have them temperament tested, by three separate behaviourists, they were seen by a vet on numerous occasions, poked and prodded to within in an inch if their lives. They were gentle, loving, obedient, well behaved. Most were rehomed, a handful weren’t so more money was raised to send them to Scotland/Ireland and they’ve now been rehomed also.

Vets and experts have spoken to say the ban will not work, because of us, because humans will never stop exploiting animals. Instead of targeting the human problem, it’s easier to kill.

It's all very caveman and a bit pathetic and gutless. But it’s easier I guess. 🤔

What do actually think people on the thread have been saying? No one has been advocating mass extermination. They want restrictions which involve assessment, licencing and sterilisation to, you know, stop breeding the fucking things.

No one things the dogs are to blame or that idiots won't move on and breed something else. I'd be perfectly happy for dog breeding to have stringent regulation.

As for believing media hype. I've also said we already have a large number in our neighbouring estate, as advised by the dog warden. He is on a hiding to nothing trying to deal with incidents of them attacking dogs.

Yes all dogs are capable of being violent but they haven't been bred for those specific qualities, aren't usually heavier than your average person and more muscular.

We don't need more of the worst examples of these things panic sent up from England. I mean from the beginning if the year the only obvious regulation was to have them muzzled and on a leash with longer for everything else and yet 31st December there is mass panic. Why? £5k or whatever for a dog but don't want to pay £100 for muzzle and leash? For a dog that is apparently the best thing since sliced bread and a wonderful family pet.

What about the regulations brought in is unreasonable and shouldn't apply across the entire UK?

@Missingmyusername - can I ask if you live in Scotland ? I suspect some of the "hysteria" would be reduced if Scottish Government had implemented similar restrictions to those applying in England and Wales especially the requirement for these dogs to be muzzled and on a lead when out in public.

In fact @BigBoysDontCry has articulated pretty much exactly what I and most of the other posters on this thread think.

It's honestly a gift to those owners who now can't be bothered with the dog/realise it's violent etc. Now they can plead that they can't afford to pay for what's needed and can pass the problem on whilst publically slagging of the govt. and weeping about how much they loved big tyson who is a fluffy teddy bear... Its a fucking gift.

No I don’t.

It isn’t just muzzled and on a lead though.

1 Your dog’s pet insurance can’t be renewed.
2 Your landlord may evict you as you have a banned dog or rather a dog measuring 19 inches with big nostrils. 😏
3You can’t board the dog easily,
4 you have to cancel your dog walker. Only people in your household can walk the dog.

There was zero government communication, Defra were sooooo slow providing information that the public panicked.

Of course there are other restrictions but not on 1st January. And as the dogs are unregistered, no one would know you had one unless it was out in public, in which case if it was on a lead and muzzled no one would give a shit.

And if you can afford to go away and board your dog then you can afford to follow the regulation 🤷‍♀️

You accuse us of hysteria and yet it's the hysteria of the owners that caused this problem.

Most reasonable people would attempt to find out what the restrictions were as its not like it wasn't on TV and in all the papers.

These are not reasonable responsible people. They are arseholes who have, I think, been given a gift to deal with a problem they created by buying the dog in the first place.

But all those things require humans to stop being idiots. Government would have to spend money.

I think breeding of dogs, cats etc needs to be stopped. Rehome the poor things in shelters first.

I agree with pretty much everything you have said- but I do think being unable to insure your pet is ridiculous! On a lead and muzzled - fine. Though it does inhibit a dogs life, but there are fields you can hire.

If I’d had a dog classed as type, I would’ve have complied with the law. I also wouldn’t allow a bitey dog to rampage and savage other dogs- that is awful. Until humans are brought to account, it will never end.

Well there's a surprise!

A reactive {dog aggressive} breed being ferried in a vehicle with other strange dogs and placed in a new 'home' where there has probably been zero 'vetting' as to the suitability of that home. {Resident animals, children &c} is a recipe for ''Hot Pitato'' where an aggressive Pit type is passed from pillar to post, each time getting more and more unsettled and 'reactive'.

Even sensitive gentle breeds in rescue take a while to settle, and responsible rescues carefully match the dog to the would be adopter.

There was a major appeal to rescue Greyhounds from Macau where an horrendous Canidrome was closed down.

The people involved in re-homing of the Macau greyhounds were extremely fussy about where the hounds ended up- they were very carefully matched to adopters. and as such I don't think there were any 'Bounce backs' from poor placement. {In UK at least}.
Simply Marc, a lovely girl, came to UK and found a lovely home. Sadly she died a year or so later leaving her adopter devastated.

Great care was taken with the placement of these Greyhounds

• sadly that can't be said for the rushed nature of the XL Bully

@Missingmyusername so you don't live in Scotland but you'll come onto Scotsnet and accuse those of us who actually live here, and will be on the sharp end of the fecklessness of the worst of England's XL Bully owners, of hysteria?

Most reasonable people would attempt to find out what the restrictions were as its not like it wasn't on TV and in all the papers- it was actually difficult. Especially at the start, information was not forthcoming at all. I emailed defra and got a generic response.

The certificate of exemption is a one off £93.50. Getting your pet insurance cancelled - shocking. Don’t say if you can afford a holiday it’s fine, my dogs torn ACL cost £7.5k years ago. A little more than a trip to Spain.

It’s an open internet forum. I’m not accusing Scotland of hysteria. I am accusing the human race, including those in England and Wales.

But it's a bit rich of you to tell those of us who live here that we are "hysterical" when as @BigBoysDontCry says most of us would be satisfied if these dogs were muzzled and on a lead when out in public. With respect it's not likely to be you or your family who may be injured by one of these dogs.
In all honesty I think all dogs should be licensed with the money used to pay for dog wardens. And all dogs should be on a lead when out in public places.

How many of the dogs owned by these irresponsible owners do we think are actually insured anyway?

It would be a case of a fundraiser for vet fees when big tyson cuts his mouth when trying to bite the head of someone's spaniel.

Yes the problem is caused by humans and I can't say I'd mourn too much if one of the arseholes was on the receiving end of their own poor decision, especially if it was a breeder pocketing their untaxed thousands. Its never them though is it? It will be some innocent person/child/beloved pet.

Scotgov will have blood on their hands, at least Westminster are trying.

Most reasonable people would attempt to find out what the restrictions were

Once again, very slowly for the hard of thinking at the back, THERE ARE NO RESTRICTIONS IN SCOTLAND. This is why the English fuckwit owners who don't want to comply with whatever restrictions apply in England/Wales are shipping their beasts to us.

Jesus. It's not complicated.

Also if you actually lived here you might understand why many of us are frustrated in the extreme with the incompetence of Scottish Government - this is only the latest in a very long list of utterly shambolic "policy" decisions by the shower currently in power.

Perhaps if you were conversant with the ferries fiasco, the state of education, the state of the NHS , GRR and ipadgate and increased taxes you'd have more understanding of why people who do live here are so hacked off.

That was me that said that but I was replying about the English restrictions, apologies if that wasn't clear.

No @BigBoysDontCry , all the way through this thread the "Missing" poster has been accusing us of hysteria and clearly has no clue about what is going on. She just wants to push her pro-beastdog agenda and educate us about what lovely family pets they are. Especially the ones owned by feckless English/Welsh fuckwits who won't neuter, muzzle and the rest of it and think it's a good idea to send these things up here.

I'm a tall adult woman. Most of these dogs weigh more than me and are about 10 times as strong. I couldn't outrun one either. Imagine how a child or pet would fare? One killed a fecking deer near me.

I've honestly lost the plot about what it is they are actually trying to say now OP.

“Yes the problem is caused by humans and I can't say I'd mourn too much if one of the arseholes was on the receiving end of their own poor decision, especially if it was a breeder pocketing their untaxed thousands.”

Well, no me either. It should be a human punishment and I agree no more should be bred, there should be no puppies. I do think on a lead, muzzled and licensed is enough. Not taking away pet insurance, not being unable to board the dog etc. Not all these dogs are bad dogs, the ones I walked certainly weren’t and they did not look like the hippo types you see in the media.

Perhaps Scotland will have a more sensible approach. I’ll bow out now- as it’s scotsnet.

It's not enough to have muzzled leads and registered. They need to be neutered also. The rest I can't give a shit about.

And we need the regulation to apply in Scotland.

🤦🏼‍♀️no clue pmsl at that one.

You are a very angry person @CoatOfArms I don’t have a pro beast agenda. Try not to get consumed by your hatred.

So you're in a country where sensible restrictions have been brought in, and you are here berating us for 'hysteria', because we are worried about the dogs who've had the least responsible owners being shipped up by the carload into our neighbourhoods and communities? Astonishing.