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Can Scottish politics be salvaged?

221 replies

SickofHolyrood · 26/01/2023 08:53

I’m coming increasingly to the conclusion that Scottish politics has descended down a rabbit hole and I’m wondering whether it will ever emerge again to govern properly.

We pay eye-watering taxes compared to the rest of the UK and we get £2k more in spending than raised in taxes for every man woman and child, but seem to get very little to show for it.

Schooling started disappearing down the drain about 10 years ago, and withdrawing ourselves from the PISA etc stats just shows what we all know - standards are in complete free fall. My kids seem to have a succession of supply teachers, and yet there are thousands of teachers unable to secure permanent positions.

My kids aren’t deprived enough to have a reasonable chance of getting into a suitable Scottish university course, despite more than meeting the entry requirements. If they were English it would be a formality.

Despite much higher funding the Scottish NHS is only marginally better than the English NHS. CAMHS waiting lists are criminal.

The drugs death stats are horrifying and getting exponentially worse all the time.

The SNP seem to be openly corrupt - stealing £600k from their own supporters, not spending the COVID 19 recovery money on recovery from covid 19, and now not letting the auditor general know what has happened to Scotland reserves.

The SNP seem to be totally economically illiterate, best illustrated by the decision to spend millions of pound propping up a handful of Scottish jobs building ferry’s that are still not finished, leaving island communities to pick up the pieces.

The SNP spending an inordinate amount of time hankering for an independence referendum that polling shows no one wants and they would lose, after promising to respect the result of the 2014 referendum.

And the whole GRC situation makes me think that we are being run by some sort of weird q-anon cult. What part of trans women are not women don’t they understand? What part of women wanting women only spaces don’t then understand? It’s not bigoted to want
to keep safeguarding protections of penises out of female spaces. I just don’t get it.

Yes, the Tories are horrendous. No question about it, but I am 100% confident that the whole corrupt lot of them will be flushed down the loo at the next general election never to see power again for the next 100 years. But I can see the SNP shambles never ending, due to the constant lies of sunlit uplands to the not very clever gullible types who believe their nonsense. Can anyone see any light in the Holyrood tunnel at all?

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Pollyumbrella · 08/02/2023 22:34

Beachcitynotgirl

Rainbowshit · 08/02/2023 22:38

Pollyumbrella · 08/02/2023 22:34

Beachcitynotgirl

Hmm I was wondering the same...

Rainbowshit · 08/02/2023 22:38

@Waitwhat23 sorry! 😂

Marchmount · 08/02/2023 22:45

I see one of Nicola’s fan bots (hi beachcitygirl) has arrived straight from SNP HQ to try to spin the car crash that is the GRR debacle. At least someone has belatedly realised that “you’re a racist, transphobic, bigot” is not winning hearts and minds of female voters and the nothing to see here approach is failing dismally.

Scottishskifun · 08/02/2023 22:45

beachcitygirl · 08/02/2023 21:46

Ok @Scottishskifun I'll bite.

Why not re 16 year olds? Did you take to the streets against 16 year olds being allowed to have sex, smoke, get married, join the army? You certainly haven't bitched about it on here (I checked)
But they can do ALL this with no comment from you, but don't know their own gender. Don't make me laugh.

I don't know ANY women who are anti-trans in real life (maybe you should review your friendships) but I'm not a right wing reactionary so 🤷🏻‍♀️

Every single part of life is self-Id.
I have never ever been asked for 'proof' of my birth sex in any space ever. Have you ?

I have never ever been asked for 'proof' I when filling in any gvmt or other form or job application or in fact anything ever. Have you?

Are there trans predators ? No doubt.
Because trans people are people and some people are predators.

Replace the word trans with black/Jew/Roma/Asian

And re-examine your comments.

I grew up in white South Africa. Should apartheid not have been ended because some black people wished revenge on white communities (as they did) should it not have been ended because some whites women would be raped (as they were) should it not gave been ended because some white men were tyre necklaces ( as they were)

Absolutely not. It had to end despite these tragedies.

Some PEOPLE are violent predators
Trans people are people so some of them will be violent
Prisons have violent people. Protect people in prisons more appropriately rather than further marginalising a minority & maybe keep your bigoted shit to yourself in future.

The vast majority of women support self-id
The vast majority of politicians support self-id

If you don't like it - boo hoo
Life goes on or as Bowie said

"And these children that you spit on, as they try to change their world are immune to your consultations - they're quite aware, what they're going through"

Thank god for a feminist first minister that ignores the Pearl clutching ignorant bigots & listens to ALL of Scotland's feminist orgs.

Over & out.

Personally I don't think 16 year olds should get married it is too young, smoking is now 18 to buy cigarettes, also disagree with joining the army at 16 but you also require parental consent for this and even they have some safeguards in place such as no front line service til 18.
16 year olds should be properly supported if they are examining such a huge decision and if then going on the road to taking hormone supplements. It should not be done without the correct guidance and support.

You've never been asked for proof applying for a job? Are you sure about that? As if you were successful in obtaining that job you would require to show proof of ID so your passport or driving licence? In order to obtain those documents you will have had to send off your birth certificate in the first application for that. Did you not do this???

You don't seem able to have a discussion without throwing around the word bigot or swearing.
You may worship Nicola Sturgeon I however certainly so not and remember only last week she said that "Isla" was faking it......yet under her self ID policy she wouldn't have been food for thought maybe for your pedalstool worship.

Shelefttheweb · 08/02/2023 23:00

Beachcitygirl has obviously not had to apply online to add bus travel to a young scot card for an under 16 year old!

beachcitygirl · 08/02/2023 23:09

Nice work ignoring the points you can't argue @Scottishskifun always the same with terfs.

Bored...

Waitwhat23 · 08/02/2023 23:10

beachcitygirl · 08/02/2023 23:09

Nice work ignoring the points you can't argue @Scottishskifun always the same with terfs.

Bored...

Sure

Rainbowshit · 08/02/2023 23:11

Yeah we are tired of explaining reality to fuckwits. Yawn.

HufflepuffRavenclaw · 08/02/2023 23:14

Just what does Nicola Sturgeon have to do for some of her brainwashed faithful to start thinking hang on, is this REALLY a good idea?

It's so cult-like.

Scottishskifun · 08/02/2023 23:17

beachcitygirl · 08/02/2023 23:09

Nice work ignoring the points you can't argue @Scottishskifun always the same with terfs.

Bored...

I will be honest I got bored halfway through reading your post so nope not ignoring I just found it too long!

Again what is with name calling? Are you unable to have a adult discussion? Are you sure your 59?

HufflepuffRavenclaw · 08/02/2023 23:19

Oh and on the "you're all bigots" - I'm going for a mammogram on Wednesday. I have been promised that the machine operator will be female.

Am I bigoted for not wanting someone like Isla Bryson or Tiffany Scott to manhandle my breasts into the machine?

HufflepuffRavenclaw · 08/02/2023 23:20

Terf = tired of explaining reality to fuckwits.

scratchedbymycat · 08/02/2023 23:26

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Shelefttheweb · 08/02/2023 23:33

Personally I don't think 16 year olds should get married it is too young,

England raised the age to 18 last year to protect children from forced marriages.

Shelefttheweb · 08/02/2023 23:38

'proof' of my birth sex

It is hilarious that you think we can’t tell.

FatSealSmugSoup · 09/02/2023 07:14

Does anyone know any feminist grown-women who freely refer to themselves as girls?

Does anyone know any TW who freely refer to themselves as girls?

What a lot of piffle-waffle to have woken up to.

annabelindajane · 09/02/2023 13:57

This from an article by Alex Massie : it all starts to make sense now.

”Scotgov now contracts out significant parts of legislative process to 3 rd parties. Often they are favoured interest groups many of which depend on the Government for a significant part of their income .. This then helps create a closed policy loop impervious to revision. “

Workerbeep · 09/02/2023 15:30

@annabelindajane i agree.

Also Nicola sturgeon in particular has favoured quangoes to oversee and implement services. I have always seen this as her way of avoiding accountability and to increase complexity and to obsfucate.

BeautifulDayintheneighbourhood · 09/02/2023 16:18

annabelindajane · 09/02/2023 13:57

This from an article by Alex Massie : it all starts to make sense now.

”Scotgov now contracts out significant parts of legislative process to 3 rd parties. Often they are favoured interest groups many of which depend on the Government for a significant part of their income .. This then helps create a closed policy loop impervious to revision. “

That’s appalling and corrupt.

ZIEVAR · 09/02/2023 16:46

I didn't understand the point that was being made here. Is the Children's rights Bill being seen as good or bad, or is it the interference by the UK Justice system.

Shelefttheweb · 09/02/2023 16:54

ZIEVAR · 09/02/2023 16:46

I didn't understand the point that was being made here. Is the Children's rights Bill being seen as good or bad, or is it the interference by the UK Justice system.

I presume you mean UNCRC incorporation bill? Potentially good but it very clearly impacts on UK law and theScottish Government were told this clearly by their lawyers and that Holyrood was not competent to pass the bill. The Scottish Government did so regardless and it was promptly thrown out by the Supreme Court as the lawyers said it would be. Since then nothing has been done to amend it to make it competent. It all raises huge concerns about the motives of the Scottish Government - are they more interest in political maneuvering for independence that caring about the rights of children? (Yes)

beachcitygirl · 09/02/2023 20:42

@scratchedbymycat what utter shit. You are clearly speaking in bad faith &'can't understand nuance &/or law making.

Absolutely nothing you have said makes any sense.
Of course I don't tar any group with actions of the minority. No decent person would.

We should target predators not communities.

YOU and your ilk want a whole community to suffer because there is a few predators.

As for your comment re racist. I'm not white so - do one.

You have found your wee group of fellow regressive people on here & you are all whipping each other up into a moral pearl clutching Frenzy.
In the real world women support reform of the grr.

Self-Id is the standard adopted in so many countries without issue.

Again: for the slightly more dim, are there issues & predators in the trans community. Yes.

Because trans people are people.

Are there male predators, yes
Are there female predators, yes.
Are there black predators, yes
Are there Jewish predators, yes
Are there Muslim predators, yes
Are there catholic priests predators, yes

But the most likely form of harm to any woman is the police.
Or
Their own partners.

It's that simple.

In decent society we don't legislate for or hurt whole communities because of bad actors within that community.

Give your silly bigoted head a wobble.

Rainbowshit · 09/02/2023 21:02

LMAO. The only person in a frenzy is you. I just picture your device screen covered in flecks of spittle from your frothing.

Rainbowshit · 09/02/2023 21:04

In decent society we don't legislate for or hurt whole communities because of bad actors within that community.

This is just bullshit. After Dunblane gun sales were curbed. After Soham every adult had to have a DBS check. We all can't take sharp objects on planes or too much liquids.

It's called safeguarding.