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Can Scottish politics be salvaged?

221 replies

SickofHolyrood · 26/01/2023 08:53

I’m coming increasingly to the conclusion that Scottish politics has descended down a rabbit hole and I’m wondering whether it will ever emerge again to govern properly.

We pay eye-watering taxes compared to the rest of the UK and we get £2k more in spending than raised in taxes for every man woman and child, but seem to get very little to show for it.

Schooling started disappearing down the drain about 10 years ago, and withdrawing ourselves from the PISA etc stats just shows what we all know - standards are in complete free fall. My kids seem to have a succession of supply teachers, and yet there are thousands of teachers unable to secure permanent positions.

My kids aren’t deprived enough to have a reasonable chance of getting into a suitable Scottish university course, despite more than meeting the entry requirements. If they were English it would be a formality.

Despite much higher funding the Scottish NHS is only marginally better than the English NHS. CAMHS waiting lists are criminal.

The drugs death stats are horrifying and getting exponentially worse all the time.

The SNP seem to be openly corrupt - stealing £600k from their own supporters, not spending the COVID 19 recovery money on recovery from covid 19, and now not letting the auditor general know what has happened to Scotland reserves.

The SNP seem to be totally economically illiterate, best illustrated by the decision to spend millions of pound propping up a handful of Scottish jobs building ferry’s that are still not finished, leaving island communities to pick up the pieces.

The SNP spending an inordinate amount of time hankering for an independence referendum that polling shows no one wants and they would lose, after promising to respect the result of the 2014 referendum.

And the whole GRC situation makes me think that we are being run by some sort of weird q-anon cult. What part of trans women are not women don’t they understand? What part of women wanting women only spaces don’t then understand? It’s not bigoted to want
to keep safeguarding protections of penises out of female spaces. I just don’t get it.

Yes, the Tories are horrendous. No question about it, but I am 100% confident that the whole corrupt lot of them will be flushed down the loo at the next general election never to see power again for the next 100 years. But I can see the SNP shambles never ending, due to the constant lies of sunlit uplands to the not very clever gullible types who believe their nonsense. Can anyone see any light in the Holyrood tunnel at all?

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beachcitygirl · 08/02/2023 21:17

Boisey · 08/02/2023 19:26

Could we please agree that thinking female only spaces should be reserved for biological females is not bigoted? It’s not about keeping people out, it’s about keeping the people these spaces were meant for - for safety reasons - safe. And that can never include a penis.

No we cannot agree that .-Anyone with even the slightest knowledge of feminist academic theory would disagree. Every single one of Scotland's feminist third sector organisations support self id.
Only bigots do not.

Wrong side of history.
You should be deeply ashamed.

beachcitygirl · 08/02/2023 21:21

As feminists have said for decades (and seems to escape you lot) the penis is not the problem or you wouldn't have husbands, partners or sons.

Rape & sexual assault are a choice.
Made by rapists & cis men.

Also feminists including myself (not young -59) have been saying for decades, do NOT define us by our genitals. You absolutely arsey regressive bunch of idiots are exactly the same as the staunch white women waving anti-black signs at Ruby Bridges.

Decent women & feminists see you. Shame on you.

Rainbowshit · 08/02/2023 21:26

Boisey · 08/02/2023 19:26

Could we please agree that thinking female only spaces should be reserved for biological females is not bigoted? It’s not about keeping people out, it’s about keeping the people these spaces were meant for - for safety reasons - safe. And that can never include a penis.

It's not. They only scream bigot because they can't argue against such a reasonable point.

Rainbowshit · 08/02/2023 21:28

Scottishskifun · 08/02/2023 19:51

@beabeachcitygirl I suggest you go do your reading on English rules before spouting that England do exactly the same. An extract from gov.uk website below......

On October 4 2022 the Justice Secretary announced plans to reform our policy on the allocation of transgender prisoners. Under the reforms, transgender women with male genitalia, or those who have been convicted of a sexual offence, should no longer be held in the general women’s estate.

This will create a strong presumption, but allow for exemptions to be considered by Ministers on a case-by-case basis – though only the most truly exceptional cases will be considered.

So whilst the Scottish govt/Scottish prison service is taking the stance that because a male prisoner says they are a woman they should be allowed to be housed in a female prison the English position is in fact very different.

And prior to that after the Karen White horror there were changes made too. So English system had protected females much better than Scottish one does.

beachcitygirl · 08/02/2023 21:29

@Rainbowshit we absolutely can. But some people are just so bloody dim.. the thought that they could understand nuance & gender & power structures is ludicrous...

The bigotry however is obvious at 100
Miles. Sad to say.

Rainbowshit · 08/02/2023 21:30

beachcitygirl · 08/02/2023 21:21

As feminists have said for decades (and seems to escape you lot) the penis is not the problem or you wouldn't have husbands, partners or sons.

Rape & sexual assault are a choice.
Made by rapists & cis men.

Also feminists including myself (not young -59) have been saying for decades, do NOT define us by our genitals. You absolutely arsey regressive bunch of idiots are exactly the same as the staunch white women waving anti-black signs at Ruby Bridges.

Decent women & feminists see you. Shame on you.

Snort.

No feminist would lock male rapists and females up together.

No DECENT person would lock male rapists and females up together.

You are no feminist and you are not a decent persons. Shame shame on you.

Rainbowshit · 08/02/2023 21:31

beachcitygirl · 08/02/2023 21:29

@Rainbowshit we absolutely can. But some people are just so bloody dim.. the thought that they could understand nuance & gender & power structures is ludicrous...

The bigotry however is obvious at 100
Miles. Sad to say.

Go on then let's hear it.

What reasonable justification can you give for locking male rapists up with vulnerable females?

Scottishskifun · 08/02/2023 21:33

beachcitygirl · 08/02/2023 21:21

As feminists have said for decades (and seems to escape you lot) the penis is not the problem or you wouldn't have husbands, partners or sons.

Rape & sexual assault are a choice.
Made by rapists & cis men.

Also feminists including myself (not young -59) have been saying for decades, do NOT define us by our genitals. You absolutely arsey regressive bunch of idiots are exactly the same as the staunch white women waving anti-black signs at Ruby Bridges.

Decent women & feminists see you. Shame on you.

I don't know any woman in real life in Scotland who hasn't been concerned about the apparent lack of protection on single sex safe spaces. Who isn't concerned that serious violent offenders "rights" came above and before the protection of female prisoners.

I definitely have sympathy with the trans community but 3 months and a self declaration is not sufficient, as even a trans woman from Shetland stated its not something you enter into lightly and 3 even 6 months is not sufficient and certainly should not be applied to 16 year olds!

beachcitygirl · 08/02/2023 21:35

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Rainbowshit · 08/02/2023 21:35

Laughing at the craziness of expecting us to feel ashamed at thinking male rapists shouldn't be locked up with vulnerable females.

Look at the outrage across Scotland at Isla and Tiffany being cleared for females prison. The majority are decent people and agree with us.

Why would the first minister have been shamed into action if you were right and we were wrong?

The UN special rapporteur for TORTURE agrees it's wrong and so does the one for women.

We're not the ones on "the wrong side of history". You are.

You are the one who should feel ashamed.

Rainbowshit · 08/02/2023 21:37

What are you not getting @beachcitygirl ?

Screaming bigot is no longer working. It's over poppet.

Waitwhat23 · 08/02/2023 21:39

Every single one of Scotland's feminist third sector organisations support self id.

And every one receives funding from the Scottish Government, who are pushing through self id. 'Equally Safe' funding is dependant on such organisations providing a LBTI Inclusion Plan which demonstrates that they will include lesbian, bisexual, trans and intersex people in their service. The SG claims that the single sex exemptions allowed in the EQA2010 are not impacted by this funding condition but given how many services no longer offer any single sex services, it clearly has impacted how these services are offered.

Waitwhat23 · 08/02/2023 21:45

What is the deal with TRA's and the phrase 'off you pop' at the moment? It's all over Twitter. It's like another part of the script.

beachcitygirl · 08/02/2023 21:46

Ok @Scottishskifun I'll bite.

Why not re 16 year olds? Did you take to the streets against 16 year olds being allowed to have sex, smoke, get married, join the army? You certainly haven't bitched about it on here (I checked)
But they can do ALL this with no comment from you, but don't know their own gender. Don't make me laugh.

I don't know ANY women who are anti-trans in real life (maybe you should review your friendships) but I'm not a right wing reactionary so 🤷🏻‍♀️

Every single part of life is self-Id.
I have never ever been asked for 'proof' of my birth sex in any space ever. Have you ?

I have never ever been asked for 'proof' I when filling in any gvmt or other form or job application or in fact anything ever. Have you?

Are there trans predators ? No doubt.
Because trans people are people and some people are predators.

Replace the word trans with black/Jew/Roma/Asian

And re-examine your comments.

I grew up in white South Africa. Should apartheid not have been ended because some black people wished revenge on white communities (as they did) should it not have been ended because some whites women would be raped (as they were) should it not gave been ended because some white men were tyre necklaces ( as they were)

Absolutely not. It had to end despite these tragedies.

Some PEOPLE are violent predators
Trans people are people so some of them will be violent
Prisons have violent people. Protect people in prisons more appropriately rather than further marginalising a minority & maybe keep your bigoted shit to yourself in future.

The vast majority of women support self-id
The vast majority of politicians support self-id

If you don't like it - boo hoo
Life goes on or as Bowie said

"And these children that you spit on, as they try to change their world are immune to your consultations - they're quite aware, what they're going through"

Thank god for a feminist first minister that ignores the Pearl clutching ignorant bigots & listens to ALL of Scotland's feminist orgs.

Over & out.

Rainbowshit · 08/02/2023 21:50

I can almost feel the spittle from here 😂😂

Rainbowshit · 08/02/2023 21:53

www.heraldscotland.com/politics/23256763.gender-recognition-reform-polls-people-say/

The polling says the majority are against removing the need for medical diagnosis ie self id. The majority are against lowering the age limit.

I'd be really interested to see polling done after recent events. 🍿

Waitwhat23 · 08/02/2023 21:54

I don't think I've ever seen a post that ticked quite so many off the bingo card, all at once.

Rainbowshit · 08/02/2023 21:55

Waitwhat23 · 08/02/2023 21:54

I don't think I've ever seen a post that ticked quite so many off the bingo card, all at once.

It's hilarious isn't it?

beachcitygirl · 08/02/2023 22:10

Rainbowshit · 08/02/2023 21:53

www.heraldscotland.com/politics/23256763.gender-recognition-reform-polls-people-say/

The polling says the majority are against removing the need for medical diagnosis ie self id. The majority are against lowering the age limit.

I'd be really interested to see polling done after recent events. 🍿

The herald - aka the most right wing paper on Scotland...

beachcitygirl · 08/02/2023 22:11

Isn't it cute tweedle dum & tweedle Dee are out to play.. aka @Rainbowshit & @Waitwhat23 #bless

Rainbowshit · 08/02/2023 22:21

The herald the most right wing?!?! Are you on glue?! 😂😂😂

Waitwhat23 · 08/02/2023 22:21

beachcitygirl · 08/02/2023 22:10

The herald - aka the most right wing paper on Scotland...

One of two polls mentioned in the article (which showed majority opposition to both the points above) was carried out by YouGov on behalf of The Times -

'In December, Yougov carried out a survey of 1090 Scots on behalf of the Times newspaper, asking them if they agreed with the changes to the rules.'

Rainbowshit · 08/02/2023 22:28

mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-herald-scotland/

Herald rated left of centre and highly rated for factual reporting.

Shelefttheweb · 08/02/2023 22:29

Rainbowshit · 08/02/2023 22:28

mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-herald-scotland/

Herald rated left of centre and highly rated for factual reporting.

Stop using facts. That’s not fair!

Waitwhat23 · 08/02/2023 22:34

Shelefttheweb · 08/02/2023 22:29

Stop using facts. That’s not fair!

Thrown me under the bus though, regarding The Times 😳.

Damn you, Rainbowshit !