Tell me this is not real please. Scotland's first period dignity officer is a man. A MAN.

[Rainbowshit]

I just can't put into words how furious this makes me. Females are having the pis absolutely ripped out of them in Scotland.

What the fuck would a male understand about the indignity of realising you'd leaked through onto your clothes.

About the cold fear when your period is late.

About trying to unwrap a tampon quietly. Etc etc.

I suppose the only saving grace is at least they are not claiming to be a woman.

www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/3593497/dundee-man-leading-period-poverty-fight-how-to-get-free-products/

Well it could be dundee area struggles to recruit if they are paying so much below the industry standard.

www.myjobscotland.gov.uk/councils/midlothian-council/jobs/cll-worker-290045

www.myjobscotland.gov.uk/councils/south-lanarkshire/jobs/sla09073-youth-family-and-community-learning-officer-264033

www.myjobscotland.gov.uk/councils/aberdeenshire-council/jobs/community-learning-development-worker-263112

just a few from a quick rummage

Dundee is a fairly deprived area. I have family there.

Oh yes, because anything to do with periods must be womens work…that’s oh so progressive isn’t it. It’s it’s also exactly why Gilead set up the Aunts House.

But the problem is THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENS. We all do 'the womens work' for years as part of our lives, or our jobs, or our families etc then some official initiative comes along and it's always, always the Jasons of the world who are drafted in to lead it. Usually with the attached ridiculous delusions of grandeur about how they're going to revolutionise it all with their 'fresh new perspectives' and not an ounce of any experience or proof of any actual passion for the thing they're now The Face Of. There's no new team of minions put in underneath them, it's the same people who continue to do what they've always done, except now they have an extra person above them to report to and a few extra meetings in their diaries. It's never about empowering the people already doing the dogs work to do what actually needs to be done, it's about giving some hotshot a fancy job title so he has a stepping stone into the role he actually wants.

You've honestly never experienced this pretty universal phenomenon?

I've seen this three times in my career before I got sick of it and went self-employed. My mum is currently going through it at work right now - every single person on her team a female except the new manager who's a man. My grandma took early retirement because she couldn't be arsed with it anymore. Hell, the last guy I dated was a privately educated, pretty 'well to do' doctor who wouldn't stop going on about how much he wanted to work with disadvantaged patients in deprived areas, and seemed utterly mind-blown when I pointed out that instead of having people like him coming in to 'save us', perhaps a better cause would be to champion the people from deprived areas getting a good enough education that they can become doctors themselves so they don't NEED to be saved by him. How about donating some time or money to the community led organisation that helps parents struggling with drug and alcohol addiction? Hmm? But that wouldn't have been quite as interesting for him or massaged his ego half as much, would it... No, he didn't actually want to help, and he had zero idea about the barriers disadvantaged people face, he just wanted to be The Saviour.

It's like this weird mix of Dunning-Kruger + Champagne Socialism + Narcissistic Tendencies + Privileged Entitlement. And it's rife everywhere.

I have not called you any names at all.

My experience as a female project manager (same as this role) is quite different. And with respect, your post fundamentally misunderstands the role of a project manager. It’s a worker bee, grunt job role. He’s not going have any direct reports at all.

We had to fight to not be given projects regarding womens issues coming up. For example, back in 1997 I raised holy hell over being given the project management of child care centre provision on military bases and demanded I be put on project management of the firefighter equipment, vehicles and training on military bases. It was obvious my supervisor thought my skills and work experience were less important than the fact I had a uterus. PM is a male dominated career field and quite often that sexist view of women PMs should do the “womanly” projects involving babies or overseeing the mess (feeding people) and leave the more “manly” projects like firefighting or weapons and ammunition supply to FOPs to the male PMs.

Periods is a “womanly” project and I feel this insistence it must be a female PM is literally calling for the reinstatement of the sexist glass ceiling that kept we female PMs from being hired for or assigned the “manly” projects which were always deemed to be the more important projects most likely to get you up the career ladder to Director level. It’s putting that glass ceiling back in place imho. So you can see why I’m an viscerally against the arguments on here.

Its a double edged sword. You demand that we regress thirty years of feminist progress, go back to when only a female PMs can do ‘womanly projects’ you can be sure that will also mean that only male PMs can do ‘manly projects’.

You honestly do not need to be an expert on whatever you are project managing to be the PM. I’ve never run into a burning building, but I was a damn good PM for the firefighter stations.

I didn’t say you had called me any names.

Are you seriously not comprehending that saying “I’ve been called” isn’t saying “You’ve called”?

This is getting rather tediously repetitive.

I know dundee pretty well, the uni delivers the accredited CLD qualification. Perhaps there’s an over supply of newly qualified people there. I’ve never lived or worked there.

usually sort of salary doesn’t require the qualification in my relatively extensive experience. Not always and 3rd sector is different too.

your comments about it being low salary for a PM.job earlier got me thinking.

The post being discussed in the OP is based in Dundee. I'm not entirely sure what the range of salary for CLD posts elsewhere in the country has to do with my correct point that a CLD worker post working in the local authority of Dundee would have a starting wage of less than your stated amount of £33k.

Anyway, my original point wasn't suggesting that it should have been advertised as a vacancy for a CLD worker. We seem to have sidetracked into a very minor point of my much longer post.

Let me spell it out: criticising lack of representation of poc on this project is not racism.

Moreover, a white personal cannot experience racism. Racism has historical, societal, cultural, scientific, academic, political, institutional aspects that a white person can never experience.

You have completely discredited yourself with your comment.

Well you didn’t specify your experienced CLD worker was only allowed to come from dundee. My point was that it’s not a particularly attractive salary for an experienced qualified CLD worker. You said it would likely be comparative or a bit more for a CLD worker in a local authority. If you meant there are tons of fab underpaid women in dundee who would have wanted the job, that’s not what you said.

if there is though, they should definitely complain about the short advertising window.

Ive said before it’s incredibly difficult recruiting to posts at that salary just now. It now looks like dundee could be under paying across the board which will limit the pool of candidates outwith thst it’s attractive to further.

By all means, continue to sidetrack.

By all means continue to over simplify complex issues.

criticising lack of representation of poc on this project
But we don’t know the ethnicities of everyone on this project, so assuming there is a lack of representation because one white person was hired for one position is racist.

Moreover, a white personal cannot experience racism.
Yes they can. It’s the law, both U.K. and international that racism includes white people(s).

You have completely discredited yourself with your comment
Nah, I think the poster who’s cut and paste a definition of racism from Tumblr has done that. What’s more credible? Calling out racism per the U.K. and international legal definition of it, or the person spouting fake definitions peddled by woke media propagandists?

Its a double edged sword. You demand that we regress thirty years of feminist progress, go back to when only a female PMs can do ‘womanly projects’ you can be sure that will also mean that only male PMs can do ‘manly projects’.

Your problem is that you're slotting absolutely everything into manly projects and womanly projects. Managing firefighting equipment is not a manly project, nor is managing childcare provision a womanly project. Both things can and should be managed by either sex, and the fact they saw the 'womanly project' as lesser and less likely to lead to promotion was wrong.

I don't even believe we HAVE progressed that much in 30 years anyway, I spent 5 years as an engineer and in our sector there was at least ten project managers, and only one female (who was constantly called a bitch etc). You seem to be scared we're going to regress 30 years when the issue is most women are still living that reality - as evidenced by my own families experiences where, even in female dominated workplaces like early years and social work, even where almost all of the work is being done by females, and all of the issues are understood by females, they still bring in A Man to sort it all out and Lead The Way to change. And it's the man who is reporting up the chain about the great work they're doing, and he's the one giving quotes to the papers, and he's the one who will stay for 2 years before being promoted.

But this discussion is all a bit silly because if what you're saying and this is just a bog standard worker-bee, grunt job male then WHY has he been given that job title and WHY is he in the papers saying the things he's saying and posing in the photos he's posing in?

The same would be said if it was a halfway-house type thing which had been run by men, for men, for years, with all the staff being people who'd experienced the problem of alcoholism / prison / homelessness themselves, and the council suddenly appointed a female graduate to come in and show them how wrong they'd all been doing it. For years. Would Emma from Morningside who graduated in Classics from St Andrews, who's never touched cocaine and hasn't had so much as a parking ticket, really be the best person to lead that initiative, or would the staff and users and general public find it highly offensive and patronising? Can you imagine Emma gushing about how exited she is to fix them all? To break down barriers? To reduce the stigma around male drug addiction? To be a positive role model for these men? She's BUZZING!! Emma has all the answers!Can you imagine Emma posing for pictures while she explains the dangers of drugs to Davie, John and Derick, and how they should 'Just Say No' guys!! "Yes, I know I worked as a hairdresser for 9 years after graduating, but I see this as a natural progression because I have this fresh perspective in the causes of male drug addiction and the issues men face that nobody else is capable of seeing" 😂😂😂.

Emma is clearly a complete fucking sociopath.

So while I agree there should not be "manly projects" and "womanly projects" there should be an ounce of common sense when it comes to devising and implementing change surrounding social issues.

And there has been absolutely none applied here.

Oh woke, ah right.

White people can experience stereotyping, xenophobia, discrimination, harassment, victimisation.

Wrt the law - it is illegal to discriminate harass or victimise someone on the grounds of their ethnicity including white. However that is not the same as saying white people experience racism. Racism has a structural aspect that is missing in that case. Internationally, white people have not been racialised in the same way as poc and the process of racialism has brought advantages rather than disadvantages.

@Tha I wish I were as eloquent as you.

Yes that’s a really good post from @Tha

Your problem is that you're slotting absolutely everything into manly projects and womanly projects. Managing firefighting equipment is not a manly project, nor is managing childcare provision a womanly project. Both things can and should be managed by either sex, and the fact they saw the 'womanly project' as lesser and less likely to lead to promotion was wrong.

I didn’t slot everything into manly vs womanly projects, the male leadership did that long before the first female PM walked in the door. And this protesting that only a woman can be a PM on a project involving periods is slotting this project into a womanly project category. This is going to bite back.

You seem to be scared we're going to regress 30 years when the issue is most women are still living that reality

No, 2022 is not the same as 1992 was. Sorry, but it isn’t the same reality. It is very different.

where almost all of the work is being done by females, and all of the issues are understood by females, they still bring in A Man to sort it all out and Lead The Way to change.

Thats not what this role is. So you are raging at something that does not apply to this situation.

But this discussion is all a bit silly because if what you're saying and this is just a bog standard worker-bee, grunt job male then WHY has he been given that job title and WHY is he in the papers saying the things he's saying and posing in the photos he's posing in?

I and other posters with public sector PM experience have explained this many times over. The job title is standard practice labelling of the thousands of PMs with key words from the project they work on so you know which PM to call when you look at a directory. He’s in the paper regurgitating the goals of the Working Group he works for and talking about being a role model for other PMs. It’s also standard to do a press release when you are filling a new position. And pose the admin type person who hired in an “action pose” with a representative of the demographic their work will support.

Racism against white people(s) is illegal as a form of what the law calls race discrimination. Furthermore, the legal definition of race includes white people(s) in it. If someone has broken the law by discriminating against you on the basis of your race, you have experienced racism. Full stop.

Racism doesn’t have to have a structural element to be racism. You’re very confused by implying the only racism that exists is structural racism.

Yes internationally every ethnicity & race has been “racialised” differently, in some cases there’s been positive racism and in others negative racism creating the advantages and disadvantages you mentioned. The fact there were differences in the nuances of racism doesn’t negate the fact of racism existing for and between all ethnicities & races.

This is intentional crazy making bullshit i dunno what to say anymore

I am not confused nor am I the one inventing the text of the Equality Act. The legal definition of race as does not mention white people, it simply states race includes colour, nationality and ethnic origins.

If someone has broken the law by discriminating against you on the basis of your race, if you are white you have experienced discrimination you have not experienced racism.

I don't think it would have made much of a difference lol. I just found the names of the people in the working group who hired him, did a google search with his business name, and it appears the two of them go waaay back, with her hiring his PT services at the college and subsequently reviewing his business on Facebook.

So she's brought him in as a PT, then brought him in as a Student Wellbeing Officer, and now she's bringing him in as Period Dignity Lead Officer.

I don't want to say that the £10k difference between this role and a similar community development roles makes sense, but it does now actually make sense...

@IrisVersicolor
Is white a race? Yes. Are there white ethnic origins? Yes. Therefore white people are included in the legal definition of race. You’re the one inventing things by pretending the law has a little (excluding whites) blurb in it. It doesn’t.

If someone has broken the law by discriminating against you on the basis of your race, if you are white you have experienced discrimination you have not experienced racism.

Of course if you’ve been discriminated against, you’ve experienced discrimination. But if it’s on the basis of race, you have experienced racism. Just like if it’s on the basis of sex, it’s sexism. Or Disability, it’s ableism. Or age, it’s ageism. Again there’s no ‘if youre white ‘ exception in the laws or regulations like you’re inventing.

@IrisVersicolor
If what you said was even remotely true, then police wouldn’t be prosecuting racist attacks targeting white people.

Rise in 'white British' racism incidents in Scotland
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-34911619

I didn’t say the legal definition excludes white people, I said it doesn’t mention them specifically as your post implied.

If you look more closely at your own link it refers to reports not prosecutions and the vast majority of all reports were not even recorded as a crime let alone prosecuted.

As I said, white people can experience prejudice, xenophobia, discrimination, harassment, victimisation. But they also experience white privilege. Racial prejudice and racism are not the same thing: racism has an institutional, structural aspect and a systemic relationship to power.

Random insults of white people, while they may be personally hurtful and unpleasant, do not have the power or authority to affect the white person's social, political or economic location and privileges, and they should not be confused with the systematic and institutionalised mistreatment experienced by poc.