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Tell me this is not real please. Scotland's first period dignity officer is a man. A MAN.

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Rainbowshit · 15/08/2022 21:37

I just can't put into words how furious this makes me. Females are having the pis absolutely ripped out of them in Scotland.

What the fuck would a male understand about the indignity of realising you'd leaked through onto your clothes.

About the cold fear when your period is late.

About trying to unwrap a tampon quietly. Etc etc.

I suppose the only saving grace is at least they are not claiming to be a woman.

www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/3593497/dundee-man-leading-period-poverty-fight-how-to-get-free-products/

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1blossomtree · 16/08/2022 12:06

^@SpidersAreShitheads

Queenoftheflumps02 · 16/08/2022 12:07

@Discovereads

“I think being a man will help me to break down barriers, reduce stigma and encourage more open discussions. Although affecting women directly, periods are an issue for everyone. We’ll also raise awareness of the menopause, which, although a natural process for women, has wider repercussions in the world of work and family. It’s time to normalise these topics and get real around the subject. I believe I can make progress by proving this isn’t just a female topic, encouraging conversations across all genders and educating and engaging new audiences.”

Quote from Jason. Interesting view of PM.

PrimAndProperPearlClutcher · 16/08/2022 12:08

He role is to administrate and organise, so that the views of women with lived experience are collated and escalated.

How is he going to collate the views of women and girls? I'm not interested in talking to some bloke younger than I am about my experiences of menstruation. I don't think I'm the only one.

Waiting4baby2 · 16/08/2022 12:12

But he’s not called a ‘project manager’. If it had been framed in this way I don’t think there would be this outrage. He’s called a ‘period dignity officer’ and having a man hold that title offers no dignity to women and girls. Neither does erasing the word women from information on periods and the menopause. If the focus had been on the entire team and not this one man with that title, things might have landed differently and the focus may have been on the great news that period products will now be free in Scotland!

1blossomtree · 16/08/2022 12:13

PrimAndProperPearlClutcher · 16/08/2022 12:08

He role is to administrate and organise, so that the views of women with lived experience are collated and escalated.

How is he going to collate the views of women and girls? I'm not interested in talking to some bloke younger than I am about my experiences of menstruation. I don't think I'm the only one.

As many many posters have said, by being the one to organise focus groups, public engagement events, interviews, and surveys etc.

This does not mean he is the one leading anything. It means he finds suitable experts to do so (normally they would have experience in qualitative/quantitative research etc), and sets everything up behind the scenes.

He is not the person who asks questions or decides what items should go into a questionnaire.

Blister · 16/08/2022 12:14

1blossomtree · 16/08/2022 12:05

As I said earlier, these women are the experts who actually know what Jason's role will be, and how he will be involved in the project.

They were happy with the recruitment.

I need to get a bingo card. I was sure it would be a woman who would hire a man to this role. I thought it would be someone from HR though. I was wrong on that one.

Assuming you are right and he is just a lackey, which i seriously doubt, a bunch of women spouting people who menstruate and sending a man to be a male role model for said people who menstruate and their opposite sex, need to keep a tighter leash on their PR.

if anything i hope the backlash teaches them to center females first before even their program.

This was a nonsensical display of sheer arrogance and entitlement.

And if you are not right about the work he is being ordered to do and how he has interpreted it then they were buffoons for hiring him.

1blossomtree · 16/08/2022 12:16

If the focus had been on the entire team and not this one man with that title, things might have landed differently and the focus may have been on the great news that period products will now be free in Scotland!

I agree, but the media are unscrupulous and I think at this point people need to critically think about what they're reading and research behind the headlines.

Discovereads · 16/08/2022 12:19

SpidersAreShitheads · 16/08/2022 12:01

You've made a lot of incorrect assumptions there.

Rather than explaining my CV in detail to you (which I'd rather not do for various reasons which have nothing to do with this thread), I'm just going to point to the part in his job description which refers to him working out in the communities directly during the evening. It's not a simple PM role, although clearly there are aspects of it.

If you think that he can understand the issues that women face with menstruation and menopause, you think that young girls will relate to a young man and feel comfortable that their voice is well-represented by him, if you believe that a man with no prior knowledge or experience of women's health should be the public face of a campaign about menstruation and menopause, then we don't have any common ground.

The job description makes it very clear he's expected to be visible, to be the face of the campaign, and to engage directly with the communities with outreach activities, in addition to the PM duties. I feel he's wholly inappropriate and not remotely comparable to men in other positions such as gynaecologist (which PP have cited).

I think we're going round in circles here so as I said to a PP, probably pointless continuing this because we're both bashing our heads against a brick wall and getting nowhere.

I'm just going to point to the part in his job description which refers to him working out in the communities directly during the evening

Is that how you interpreted:
Work in different environments (both office based and outreach), at times best suited to the community (including some evenings).

Thats not what that means. It just means some evening work may be required. It’s not saying go forth into the community and work directly with the target population during the evening. And “outreach” simply means go on site visits to talk to the local site managers and experts to then relay any issues they have to the female working group, who are actually leading this campaign. It’s a follow on of his collaboration with local authorities and educational institutions duty.

If you think that he can understand the issues that women face with menstruation and menopause, you think that young girls will relate to a young man and feel comfortable that their voice is well-represented by him, if you believe that a man with no prior knowledge or experience of women's health should be the public face of a campaign about menstruation and menopause, then we don't have any common ground.

He doesn’t need to understand any of this to do project management. Young girls aren’t going to be communicating directly with him at all. That’s not what PMs do. He’s not going to be representing or deciding anything, he’s there to execute the vision. Nor is he the public face of the campaign.
See top 2 duties:


  1. To develop and implement a project plan in collaboration with the educational institutions and Local Authorities.

  2. To deliver the vision, aspirations and transformations in awareness, engagement, culture and inclusiveness which underpins the Period Product Act.

Blister · 16/08/2022 12:20

1blossomtree · 16/08/2022 12:16

If the focus had been on the entire team and not this one man with that title, things might have landed differently and the focus may have been on the great news that period products will now be free in Scotland!

I agree, but the media are unscrupulous and I think at this point people need to critically think about what they're reading and research behind the headlines.

Blame his bosses, blame the media, Blame the women for misunderstanding. Blame everyone else but the person who is quoted in the article.

I don't know if I should be sorry I can read at this point.
But this first attempt at outreach has spectacularly hit the wrong notes.

I shouldn't have to research what the period dignity officer is quoted as saying in the paper! I should be able to hand it to teens to say "here you go".

AlisonDonut · 16/08/2022 12:21

Nobody seems to have considered bringing a man on board was done to specifically let the project fail.

I'll see you here in 18 months for the 'project exit plan' posts.

PrimAndProperPearlClutcher · 16/08/2022 12:22

Young girls aren’t going to be communicating directly with him at all.

So why the photo of him sitting with a young girl, talking to her while holding sanpro?

PrimAndProperPearlClutcher · 16/08/2022 12:23

Waiting4baby2 · 16/08/2022 12:12

But he’s not called a ‘project manager’. If it had been framed in this way I don’t think there would be this outrage. He’s called a ‘period dignity officer’ and having a man hold that title offers no dignity to women and girls. Neither does erasing the word women from information on periods and the menopause. If the focus had been on the entire team and not this one man with that title, things might have landed differently and the focus may have been on the great news that period products will now be free in Scotland!

Yep. He's in charge of graciously allowing women to have dignity about their periods.

It's a giant 'fuck you' to all women.

Discovereads · 16/08/2022 12:27

SpidersAreShitheads · 16/08/2022 12:06

His job description explicitly says he is required to work directly with the communities in the evening on outreach activities. He's also required to maintain a media presence. He is a spearhead.

Once again, see previous comments.

You seem to be ignoring the facts that don't suit your rhetoric.

Feel free to move onto other poster's comments who back up your view. We've already established we have no common ground. This is pointless.

His job description explicitly says he is required to work directly with the communities in the evening on outreach activities. He's also required to maintain a media presence. He is a spearhead.

No his job description doesn’t say that at all. You seem to be ignoring the facts that don't suit your rhetoric.

Well already addressed how you’ve completely misread
Work in different environments (both office based and outreach), at times best suited to the community (including some evenings).

Which is just a standard clause for PM indicating you’ll be working in the office but also going on site visits as part of collaborative outreach. And you might have to do a bit of overtime in the evenings.

But you’ve also misread this one
Coordinate marketing campaigns to raise awareness of our regional approach to eradicating period poverty, creating a strong and consistent media presence (social and traditional media) to normalise and make visible.

Hes not required to maintain a media presence of himself or his role, but a media presence to “raise awareness of our regional approach” - being the regional approach of the female working group. They’ll basically say Jason, here’s whats been written please take this and make sure we get the word out there about….blah blah blah.

AlisonDonut · 16/08/2022 12:29

Hes not required to maintain a media presence of himself or his role, but a media presence to “raise awareness of our regional approach” - being the regional approach of the female working group

And yet the first thing is they promote Jason getting the role and show pics of him with young girls. Awkward.

1blossomtree · 16/08/2022 12:31

Blister · 16/08/2022 12:20

Blame his bosses, blame the media, Blame the women for misunderstanding. Blame everyone else but the person who is quoted in the article.

I don't know if I should be sorry I can read at this point.
But this first attempt at outreach has spectacularly hit the wrong notes.

I shouldn't have to research what the period dignity officer is quoted as saying in the paper! I should be able to hand it to teens to say "here you go".

No you shouldn't have to.

But as I said, the media is shit. Look how many clicks and how much engagement the article has got.

It shouldn't be the case that someone needs to critically think about the news they're reading, and media outlets sensationalise everything to increase profits, but that's the world we're living in.

Discovereads · 16/08/2022 12:31

PrimAndProperPearlClutcher · 16/08/2022 12:22

Young girls aren’t going to be communicating directly with him at all.

So why the photo of him sitting with a young girl, talking to her while holding sanpro?

It’s just normal government PR. There’s no interest in news articles to see a person sitting at a desk with a project plan and a project schedule on the wall. They always put the admin person next to whoever their work ultimately supports.

It’s no different to how you see photos of Boris Johnson in a hard hat posing like he’s going to operate a crane to signal government support for construction industry.

Tell me this is not real please. Scotland's first period dignity officer is a man. A MAN.
saltedcaramel1 · 16/08/2022 12:32

Yup @Discovereads

This was my personal fave

Tell me this is not real please. Scotland's first period dignity officer is a man. A MAN.
Discovereads · 16/08/2022 12:35

Or this one. Boris serving behind the counter in a mess. He’s got his apron on and everything. Government PR always do this no matter how high or low the position is. You always photo them with the ultimate beneficiaries.

Tell me this is not real please. Scotland's first period dignity officer is a man. A MAN.
bolleauxnouveau · 16/08/2022 12:38

Is Boris trying to eject that pipette tip? The lab. tech looks concerned.

saltedcaramel1 · 16/08/2022 12:39

bolleauxnouveau · 16/08/2022 12:38

Is Boris trying to eject that pipette tip? The lab. tech looks concerned.

I work in a lab and it had us in stitches Grin

Discovereads · 16/08/2022 12:40

PrimAndProperPearlClutcher · 16/08/2022 12:23

Yep. He's in charge of graciously allowing women to have dignity about their periods.

It's a giant 'fuck you' to all women.

Project manager is a generic term, rather like buyer or lawyer. So for ease of colleagues finding the right one (as there are thousands working in civil service), they always make their job title hint at what project they manage, or what sort of purchasing contracts they do, or what sort of law they specialise in.

I don’t see how it’s undignified, at least dignity in periods are considered important enough to society to actually have a full project team. I suppose you’d rather go back to the government not giving a shit about anything that affects girls and women.

bolleauxnouveau · 16/08/2022 12:40

Apologies for the sidetrack, I wouldn't be happy talking to a man about periods, as a young girl I would have been mortified. I think the job title 'period dignity officer' is shite, is that what he puts on his business cards?

saltedcaramel1 · 16/08/2022 12:48

bolleauxnouveau · 16/08/2022 12:40

Apologies for the sidetrack, I wouldn't be happy talking to a man about periods, as a young girl I would have been mortified. I think the job title 'period dignity officer' is shite, is that what he puts on his business cards?

That isn't what his job is @bolleauxnouveau

bolleauxnouveau · 16/08/2022 12:54

Is his job to advocate for women?

How can a man understand the reality of managing periods? Or is it just because he'll be taken more seriously than a woman?

saltedcaramel1 · 16/08/2022 12:57

bolleauxnouveau · 16/08/2022 12:54

Is his job to advocate for women?

How can a man understand the reality of managing periods? Or is it just because he'll be taken more seriously than a woman?

His job is project manager.

Has been posted upthread that the working group is of four women. His role is to faciliate the project.

Have a read through of the job descriptive, on p1 I believe