Would brits in EU get a vote in indy ref 2?

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I can't remember if the SNP supported brits in the EU/EU nationals in UK getting a vote in the Brexit ref and, as they seem to be seriously planning indy ref 2 now, does anyone know if they will be pushing for brits in the EU getting a vote? Will the right to vote be only based on residency in Scotland? And if so, will EU/non-EU citizens get a vote?

Well I doubt there will even be a vote ,so non of that will be a concern.

Yeah I thought it would be unlikely but they are putting forward their plans officially soon I believe.

I don’t think they can or will. Last time people in other parts of the U.K. didn’t get to vote. There is no Scottish passport so how would you prove you were Scottish?

That's what I was just musing on. I think (but can't remember exactly) that the SNP wanted EU nationals, and brits in EU, a vote in the Brexit ref, so I thought it would follow that British non-UK residents would get a vote, as they wanted British non-UK residents to vote in Brexit ref.

You mean Scottish people who don’t live in Scotland?
Like I say, how would you prove your Scottish status?

I don't think there is going to be another vote for a very long time. It was only 8 yrs since the last one.

It was agreed to be a once in a generation vote, so a few decades away I should think.

I thought it was resident in Scotland. So if you were born in outer Mongolia and lived in Scotland you had a vote. If you were born in Scotland and lived in outer Mongolia -no.

If it's the same as before then Scots living abroad would not get a vote but anyone 16+ living in Scotland would be eligible.

If they think that people living abroad are likely to vote in favour of course they will get a vote. 🙄

Have you missed the news that Ms Sturgeon and her wee pal from the Greens are announcing today plans to hold it in 2023? it;s already cost us £££ in preparing their propaganda documents for it.

I thought it was resident in Scotland. So if you were born in outer Mongolia and lived in Scotland you had a vote. If you were born in Scotland and lived in outer Mongolia -no

Exactly this. I remember because someone I work with wanted to raise with their MP that English people living in Scotland had a vote when Sean Connery didn't.

🙄this says it all.

🙄this says it all

Indeed it does.

It must be residency only - if you've got no skin in the game, why should you get a vote? National identity is partly a self identification thing after all.

Let's not forget the charmers who wanted to stop anyone over a certain age voting as 'it's not their future'. Ah indy ref, the joys.

The vote last time was registered postal address in Scotland voters just as in the general election etc. The SNP didn’t want the vote to be extended to Scots born people living in the rest of the UK (mainly no voters) so I can’t see that they have a leg to stand on e tending it to Scots in the EU. That’s laughable.

How do you define "English" and "Scottish"? It's nebulous. I am probably Scottish in that I was born here and all 4 grandparents were born here. But what about DH - born in England to a Scottish mum and an English dad. He defines himself as English, but would have qualified to play for the Scottish football team. He's lived here over 20 years, pays (a lot) of tax here. Or my DS, who was born in England to a Scottish mum and English dad. Is he English, but my younger DS who was born in Scotland is Scottish?

It's all a load of bollocks. The ONLY sensible way is basing the electorate on people with a permanent residential address in Scotland. Much as Ms Sturgeon would love to have her lovvie friends like Alan Cumming and your man out of Line of Duty on her "side", they have pissed off to America and cannot vote. And having the SNP deciding whether people living in Scotland are racially pure enough to be allowed to vote is just sinister.

She seems determined to push ahead with this (although it could be a handy diversionary tactic in light of the public sector shitstorm) but hopefully the courts and Westminster will prevent the SNP from unleashing more disruption, uncertainty, division and unnecessary cost on us. I don’t think there’s any easy way of proving who’s Scottish so no, even they wouldn’t be that mad.

Stroopwaffles your family are British, and contrary to what Nicola and co would have you believe that is no bad thing.

It's really sad but I don't feel comfortable stating my nationality as "Scottish" any more. The word, the identity and the Saltire have been entirely contaminated by the nationalists. 30 years ago I was proudly Scottish. No longer.

We are a British family and that's how I'd define myself and my kids.

No as that strengthens the case for independence, Westminster denying the right to choose shows what little autonomy Scotland has.

No it wasn't, it was said to be a once in a generation opportunity. It was
abundantly clear from the context of the statement (and with others like it) that the SNP were not agreeing a one off referendum that would then be locked away for 40 years. Rather they were encouraging voters to seize a particular opportunity (“a rare and precious moment in the history of Scotland”) to oppose austerity and make a fairer Scotland.

But in typical unionst fashion it has been taken out of context, twisted and then used to further their agenda much like the "better together" and "only way to stay in the EU is through the Union" lies.

Oh the "someone's disagreeing with Nicola" klaxon has gone off in Bute House, make way for the faithful!

Sturgeon and her sidekick Harvie give me the dry boke.

The once in a generation thing was not part of the official agreement, it was a phrase used to emphasise the importance of the issue.
Much like going on a "once in a lifetime" holiday does not mean you cannot then go on a similar or even the same holiday ever again regardless of your circumstances because you said it was a once only thing.

Regardless of which side you stand on the debate, whether you agree with independence or not you must agree that the decision to choose must be one for the people of Scotland, that is democracy.

Giving the people of Scotland the right to choose does not take away anyone else's Democratic right, denying them the opportunity to cast their vote does.