Would brits in EU get a vote in indy ref 2?

[newstart1234]

I can't remember if the SNP supported brits in the EU/EU nationals in UK getting a vote in the Brexit ref and, as they seem to be seriously planning indy ref 2 now, does anyone know if they will be pushing for brits in the EU getting a vote? Will the right to vote be only based on residency in Scotland? And if so, will EU/non-EU citizens get a vote?

Like I say, how would you prove your Scottish status?
In general elections, you can vote if you haven't been abroad for over 15 years and you vote wherever you were registered. So I don't think that would be a problem if you had previously been registered to vote in Scotland.

If the other option is continuing down the road we’re going with England (which terrifies me a lot more than the unknown of an independent Scotland) I don’t care how long it takes. 50 years until we have a better country sounds more appealing to me than endless years of Tory governments voted in by England.

If you’re happy with the way things are by all means vote no, but if you’re not I don’t understand why anyone would miss this chance to really change things.

50 years of financial crisis? Yeah, that’s the Brexit red bus right there.

50 years of hardship to get to somewhere better for future generations or endless Tory governments, more and more severe austerity and the NHS being destroyed.

That’s the choice I see in front of me and that’s why independence is a no brainer.

Possibly if you were registered to vote in a Scottish constituency.

I guess it's done to - do you truely believe that a Scottish government would be in practice very different to the tories

I would rather they have me some confidence in that first

The people I know who voted against Independence did so because they wanted to stay in the EU, the promise from the "better together" campaign.

If the government can show that re-entry to the EU is possible and indeed guaranteed on Scottish independence, I'm pretty certain the vote will swing and Scotland will become independent.

And then it will be a mere tiny leap for NI to join Ireland because of the Brexit related border nightmare.

I don't want to see Scotland independent without being in the EU. We were better and had more opportunities available in the EU - funding, education, freedom of movement, environmental and climate standards in Scotland are high because we are tracking (sometimes ahead) of EU standards. If we don't get to rejoin the EU then I don't think we will be in a good way for many years as a completely independent country.

I am neutral on Nicola Sturgeon and the SNP and on Harvie and the greens. I see the personalities separate to the question of independence.

NHS is completely devolved - the only Govt destroying NHSS is the SNP (30 years experience of working for NHSS here).

50 years of hardship - what will that entail? What happens thereafter? Let’s have some details, not more Brexit/Scexit nationalist flag waving.

I do believe an independent Scottish government would be very different to the Tories.

You can see from the way Scotland votes in every election/referendum that it’s a very different country from England.

But to answer the question - why would people not living in Scotland get to vote in the referendum?

If you live here, you get the vote. It directly affects your life.

It doesn't matter if you were born in Scotland or not. Live here, register to vote, vote.

I don’t know for sure what would happen and neither do you, that’s the point - I’m up for taking a chance on something better. If you’re not then fair enough.

And the NHS is devolved but it’s Westminster that decides how much money Scotland gets.

In the way that the majority of us don’t get the Govts we vote for in either elections?

We do know that we would face many years of cuts and financial challenges.

The SG chooses how much it spends on NHSS - Westminster does not tell it how to spend on health. If it feels it needs more money for health then it can raise income tax (amongst other measures)

It votes differently - but that's just words

in terms of being an effective government that can do stuff consistent with those words

Yes this. I lived abroad when the first referendum happened and did not have the right to vote in it. But I did have the right to vote in a general election. It wouldn't be difficult to have the same rules in place, ie let Scots vote in the last constituency they lived in. (Incidentally the 15 years thing is recently no more, I think it's indefinite now for general elections). I do think it meant as much to me as a non-Scottish person resident there at that time as it's my homeland, my identity and I was always going to move back. The recent census made me rage. I am equally Scottish AND British but apparently that's not possible.

There is no incentive for SNP to allow "expats" to vote in a referendum as they know what way they will mostly vote isn't in their favour. The only thing that could change that is if they can show a realistic chance of getting back into the EU but from my limited political understanding I think that's highly improbable.

If we’re not happy with the way the SNP are running things we can vote for a new government. I don’t have any attachment to the SNP at all.

I find it amazing that people can be so sure that they know exactly what will happen and how disastrous it would be if we became independent.

I’m so sick of the doom, year after year things get worse and I’m starting to feel so cynical and depressed about humanity.

I just want some hope that things could get better. The thought of staying with England and the governments it relentlessly votes in makes me feel completely hopeless.

Why not try something different cos what we’re doing isn’t working?

But there are certainties in some of what happens if Scotland gets independence. It will certainly lose the Barnett formula (a high proportion of the current budget). So it is certain it will have to make some extremely tough financial decisions immediately. How is that a good thing for a society that is striving to become more equal? The poorest in Scottish society will suffer.

I guess I just keep going back to - what is the other option? Things staying the same? Much more frightening to me. And the poorest in Scotland are absolutely still going to suffer under a right wing English government.

Think of the long game.

But they are definitely going to suffer more in at least the short term under independence. I’d their suffering worth it to you? And I’d bet my house The Tories will be out at the next election.

Then they’re going to suffer either way but to me there’s light at the end of the tunnel with independence.

I would love if the Tories were out at the next election but I’m worried they’ve become untouchable. Everyone expects them to be despicable so when they are openly despicable no one seems to care.

I don’t see any strong competition coming up against them any time soon. Labour just want to get closer to the centre to get votes because

…unfortunately a majority of English voters seem to be right leaning.

That’s not for me and I want to get away from it if I can.

Light at the end of the tunnel for independence in 50 years time when most of us will be dead or very old?
How’s Brexit going again, can you remind me?

Yes the thought of passing on a better country to future generations is absolutely worth it to me. And again a lot less frightening than sticking with England and seeing where that takes us.

We've got to look beyond ourselves and the next few years and think about the kind of country we (and our children and grandchildren) want to live in in the long term.

The thought of passing a poorer country with unnecessary socioeconomic barriers onto future generations is absolutely not worth it to me - they deserve better. Until the SNP come up with a very clear roadmap of exactly how they will make things better then I’m not prepared to allow this country to be dragged down another road to appease the nationalists who have so far fucked up on most areas both in the UK and in Scotland.

We've got to look beyond ourselves and the next few years and think about the kind of country we (and our children and grandchildren) want to live in in the long term

The next few years? So you reckon 3 years and we'll be living the dream? Ha. It's a No from me this time.