Would brits in EU get a vote in indy ref 2?

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I can't remember if the SNP supported brits in the EU/EU nationals in UK getting a vote in the Brexit ref and, as they seem to be seriously planning indy ref 2 now, does anyone know if they will be pushing for brits in the EU getting a vote? Will the right to vote be only based on residency in Scotland? And if so, will EU/non-EU citizens get a vote?

Of course it's entirely possible to vote no, looking beyond yourself and thinking of your children and grand children.

I've lived a long time in scandinavia, which always seems to be raised as something scotland aspires to. It's interesting to see people describe english voting tendencies as right leaning. In many ways I'd agree with that, but then so is scandinavia.

For example, the biggest criticism from denmark's centre left government over patel's plan to move asylum seekers to rwanda, was that they rushed it, didn't prepare properly the case and the home office was basically incompetent and therefore it failed. They said they're pushing ahead with their plans to do the same but will be successful because they will do it properly. There are almost countless examples of this type of thing.

I'm pretty much indifferent to the outcome of the indy ref if it happens - though I admit I'm not a nationalist by nature - , but I'm very suspicious of anyone who claims that trying to emulate scandinavia would be more progressive. I think they're pulling a fast one there.

I’ve lived in Scandinavia too. The childcare is dirt cheap, the healthcare by comparison is more expensive, it’s a much more egalitarian society as the taxes are absolutely sky high BUT house prices are much lower so taxes aren’t such a big deal.

we could have Scandinavian society if we want to pay 30% basic rate income tax as opposed to 20% (and yes it’s the basic rate tax that is much higher there than the UK, not the higher rate tax) and VAT at 25% but with a housing shortage that really isn’t affordable.

I've just moved back to England after 10 years in Scotland. Never heard one word about what currency an independent Scotland would , nor about what would happen with the border. They never mention these (pretty important) points. Just waffle on about how bad the Tories are. Let them get on with it, even though it would be a huge mistake. And no you should not be allowed to vote if you've chosen to live elsewhere.

I didn't indicate i would like to vote in it. I was wondering if the SNP are taking the same view for both the EU and indy referenda wrt suffrage. They can be hypocritical...

we could have Scandinavian society if we want to pay 30% basic rate income tax as opposed to 20% (and yes it’s the basic rate tax that is much higher there than the UK, not the higher rate tax)

• and we already have a 21% tax band that rUK doesn't have.

Except this is all bollocks.

In 2014 anyone at all born anywhere that lives in Scotland (ie registers on electoral roll) over 16 got a vote.

That is people whose lives would be affected by the vote, got a vote those whose lives would
Not be affected didnt.

Simples. Same as all elections. It's not about nationality but decision making.

Nope.

As expressed - a set date can be officially agreed before a return to the polls.

Like ALL democracy, it doesn't stand still.

For the last 3 elections the country voted Tory. Is that the settled will? Should we just end elections. That's a bit silly isn't it?

There were several votes/elections before slavery was ended.
There were several votes/elections before votes for women
There were several votes before women under 30 could vote and so on and so on.

In another referendum a date could be officially/legally agreed before another could take place.

But whilst 50% of a population want to leave the union it's undemocratic not to vote on
That .

It is Your absolute prerogative to vote no
But
It is not your prerogative to not "allow" a vote

The simple fact is the snp keep winning elections. People vote for them, no other party wins.
The SNP make no secret of their constitutional support for indy. They are now the government for the 4th time in a row.

They gave a mandate for this.
Anything else is undemocratic.

It is supposed to be a union of equals.
It ain't equal if 1/4 can't leave

Bullshit.

Members of the armed forces who normally reside in Scotland or who have a flat in scotland got a vote.

"Ex-pats" do you mean immigrants to another country? . The white uk Marbella mob aren't special - they don't get a special wee name. They emigrated away. So by very definition don't live in Scotland and will not be affected by independence.

Ps it is once in a generation is a turn of phrase like "once in a lifetime" holiday.

It's only bitter flag clutching yoons that cling to that. How's boris's death in a ditch going down? Why aren't you demanding that...
exactly - it's understoood to be a turn of phrase for emphasis.

I'm pretty sure it would need Scottish residency because of simple logistics.

How often would you propose an independence referendum is held beachcitygirl? Do you not acknowledge that holding repeat referendums is damaging to Scotland? That the government doesn’t get on with the day job because it is faffing around with its brigadoon wet dream? That businesses don’t invest while it looks like at any minute the SNP could take the whole country down the economic swanny to fulfil their batshit nationalistic fantasy? And what would happen if Scotland did get independence and the ‘project fear’ turns out to be reality? Half of the nation will be raging that the other half of the nation could be so gullible. There is no happy ending.

I don't agree with a single word you have said.
Not one. I think you have been fed a loaf of lies, seem incapable of independent thought & are intent on spouting claptrap from
The unionist handbook of drivel. Britnat flag hugging numpty stuff.

During the 2014 referendum there was much made of
• strong shoulders of the UK
• stable economy
•conservative with small c fiscal policy
•pooling & sharing

Ha.!

And so on and so on.

Tell me (if you can) in your thoughts not copy & paste non answer.

Why does rUK government want to keep hold of Scotland ? I can see why Labour want to/ they don't believe they can break the Tory wall down south without scotland but the Tories.?

I am well versed in this so I'm curious to your position ?

Although if you're just a Boris babe a lá mad nad then let's leave it there.

I think once every 10 years is appropriate.

Oh and like most people the government can do 2 things at once. So right now, I'm studying for exams, minding my teenager, cooking dinner & chatting on here...

Having a manifesto promise to indy does not mean that nothing else happens.. doh.

Actually Scotland has higher foreign inward investment thank the UK and Europe. Even the BBC reported this!!

I have an economics degree and accounting and tax qualifications. I don’t read unionist arguments - I can’t see unionists making any - I just have a professional interest in economics and am aghast at the nonsense being pumped out by the SNP. It’s horrifying. The pensions stuff - my goodness. How naive would you have to be to believe that a) rUK would pay for independence post scexit and b) Scotland would be able to maintain- let alone increase- pensions. And that’s just for starters. And why does the UK want to keep Scotland? Same as why it wants to keep N Ireland. The country is part of the UK and the residents want it to stay that way.

As forBoris - he is a grade A arsehole. I wouldn’t piss on any of the likely replacements if they were on fire. You can be anti Indy and anti SNP you know!

Ditto. Also a member of the chartered institute of securities and investments.

And I swore I wouldn't waste a lot of time on here in relation to Indy vs rUK arguments but get sucked in at times!

It really wasn't. There's nothing at all in the Edinburgh agreement about 'once in a generation'. It was a throwaway statement by a now discredited and irrelevant politician that wasn't 'agreed' by anyone. Advocates of the union really need to find something new to wheel out constantly if they are going to continue to try and deny democratic process.

In any case, we have General Elections at worst every five years, so why on earth would a political 'generation' suddenly shift to 'decades' on this one issue?

Christ. Unionist bullshit bingo full house.

Do you think the rUK will pay Scottish pensions post independence then?

It was in the White Paper but don't suppose you read that?

@BinBandit that's utter bs.
It wasn't . It was in a foreword written by a long since discredited idiot. A bit like Boris' oven ready deal or dead in a ditch ego-driven narcissist male politicians say anything.

Sturgeon is a fiscally cautious responsible politician.

But regardless.

Like I said previously vote as you please but you can't disallow others the chance to do so or it's no longer a union but a conquered state.

You may be happy with that - the voting public are not. Thus 4 successive snp governments

4 successive SNP governments as it is a first past the post system and the unionist vote is split. The polls are still saying no. And that’s before an attempt is made to answer the unanswerable questions of currency, how to survive without the Barnett etc etc.

I don't mean to be rude but surely if you have an economics degree, you have an understanding of how a new country introduces a new currency?