Male & Female no longer have any meaning in Scotland

[Rodedooda]

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My husband and son are going to declare themselves female.

@ChocolateDeficitDisorder

It's good that people are choosing to move away from Scotland as it makes space for the many in England who are choosing to move here for our people-friendly policies. I know of many who are doing just that.

Balance is good.

Yep and it is known that sexual predators gravitate to where the best opportunities are.

I am still genuinely bemused as to why the SG is so obsessed with the trans/anti women stuff.

@ChocolateDeficitDisorder

I'm not going going to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

World''s first tidal energy scheme This place (England) had a tidal energy scheme 850 years ago.

Forgot link
woodbridgetidemill.org.uk/

@TheUsualShitshow

I'm watching that carefully, I want to protest but don't want to open my family up to any sort of legal consequences, although frankly we've been ready for something like this ever since I started getting more vocal about the entire shitshow.

No one should protest in a way that could get them into trouble. Everything should be kept within the law. Paper copy will help.

@WouldBeGood

I am still genuinely bemused as to why the SG is so obsessed with the trans/anti women stuff.

Me too.

Someone MUST have something over them. It makes no sense otherwise.

But if you mean electricity generation then Strangford Lough Tidal Turbine in Northern Ireland was the world's first commercial scale tidal energy project in 2008

I wonder if those other claims also stand up?

Given that the Scottish Government had to be forced through a legal challenge appeal to have 50/50 representation on public boards (by sex and not self id), it seems like an odd thing to put on a list of SNP achievements tbh.

murrayblackburnmackenzie.org/2021/04/16/forwomenscotland-legal-challenge-to-gender-representation-on-public-boards-act-putting-the-case-in-context/

The '42 year low in crime' is from 2016 - www.gov.scot/news/recorded-crime-at-a-42-year-low/

But....
news.stv.tv/scotland/crime-spike-in-scotland-as-country-emerges-from-covid-lockdowns

And -

www.heraldscotland.com/news/19863681.sex-crimes-scotland-soar-22-per-cent/

"Refurbished/rebuilt over 600 schools" Hmm.

117 schools gave been built over 10 years - with half the funding from local authorities.

"Over the last ten years at least one new school project has been delivered in every council area, in addition to local authorities’ own school improvement programmes.".

www.heraldscotland.com/news/19176424.scottish-government-117-schools-built-1-8bn-investment/

Toll bridges -

www.thenational.scot/news/19921464.road-tolls-charges-reintroduced-scotland-cut-carbon/

www.thenational.scot/news/19924074.will-road-tolls-return-scottish-transport-story-far/

Quote - 'Following the January publication of the Transport Scotland paper "A route map to achieve a 20 per cent reduction in car kilometres by 2030",reports saidthat toll reintroduction is nowregarded as “inevitable” by Scottish Government ministers.'

What is the source of the list @ChocolateDeficitDisorder? Or do you have a date for it? I can't find figures that tally with the information for some of the claims,

Employment rates December 2021:
England 75.9%
Scotland 74.1%
Wales 74.5%
NI 70.7%
(Source Statista)

@ChocolateDeficitDisorder

I'm not going going to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Well for starters the new Forth Crossing was kickstarted by the Labour administration. And there's talk of reintroducing tolls. That's before we get into the farce of the Named Person Scheme and the fact that education has been decimated in this country.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/sep/12/worlds-first-large-scale-tidal-energy-farm-launches-scotland

Large scale

In the list given above, it states 'the world's first Tidal Energy Scheme'.

The 'world's first large scale Tidal Energy Scheme', while laudable, is not what is claimed on that list.

That claim, and quite a few other claims on that list, are incorrect or wildly outdated - it seems to be dated from around 2016.

From what I can see, the questions are "what is your sex" (male/ female) with the weird guidance on that not having to match your birth cert. And then this nonsensical question...

Do you consider yourself to be trans, or have a trans history?
This question is voluntary
Answer only if you are aged 16 or over
Trans is a term used to describe people whose gender is not the same as the sex they were registered at birth
Tick one box only
No
Yes, please describe your trans status (for example, non-binary, trans man, trans woman): (boxes for each letter of your answer)

So I have no clue what people who don't consider they have a gender at all, and definitely not one distinct from their sex are supposed to write. Is that a trans identity, not to "feel" a gender at all, but to "be" a particular sex? Because my gender doesn't match my "sex registered at birth" .. I just don't feel I have a gender.

There doesn't seem much option for me to answer that question. Kind of like asking "what is your religion" then giving a list of religions without the option of "none". I could tick "no" but that's not true according to their definition of "trans" (gender not the same as sex, implying that for non trans, gender is the same as sex). I could tick "yes" but that also isn't true according to their definition. Or I could leave it blank, but that's not very full and inclusive, is it - making me unable to answer a question without lying?!

Also, in the bit to write your gender, I suppose transwoman/ transman would give a clue whether the sex question had been answered factually or nor. But I understand there are other "genders" - would a "non binary" person recording their sex as female need cervical screening or not? What about pan gender or allogender or xenoflux or all the others?! And why should they have to constrain themselves into the (not voluntary) binary sex question if it's actually about what sex you feel rather than what sex you are (or were registered at birth if you prefer...), which is simple and non controversial, even if you don't happen to agree with it.

Maybe I could identify as someone who has filled in the census (for legal reasons) without actually filling it in in practice? For all the sense it will make when they gather together and analyse the data.

Oh my God @ResilienceWanker. I'm just imagining the WTAF look on the faces of my parents when they try to fill in their census because all this trans/non binary/ fluid gender stuff is complete nonsense to them. I doubt they'll be alone in that either. I guess one good thing is that it might make people a bit less oblivious to these issues and shine a light on it all a bit more.

@ResilienceWanker

From what I can see, the questions are "what is your sex" (male/ female) with the weird guidance on that not having to match your birth cert. And then this nonsensical question...

Do you consider yourself to be trans, or have a trans history?
This question is voluntary
Answer only if you are aged 16 or over
Trans is a term used to describe people whose gender is not the same as the sex they were registered at birth
Tick one box only
No
Yes, please describe your trans status (for example, non-binary, trans man, trans woman): (boxes for each letter of your answer)

So I have no clue what people who don't consider they have a gender at all, and definitely not one distinct from their sex are supposed to write. Is that a trans identity, not to "feel" a gender at all, but to "be" a particular sex? Because my gender doesn't match my "sex registered at birth" .. I just don't feel I have a gender.

There doesn't seem much option for me to answer that question. Kind of like asking "what is your religion" then giving a list of religions without the option of "none". I could tick "no" but that's not true according to their definition of "trans" (gender not the same as sex, implying that for non trans, gender is the same as sex). I could tick "yes" but that also isn't true according to their definition. Or I could leave it blank, but that's not very full and inclusive, is it - making me unable to answer a question without lying?!

Also, in the bit to write your gender, I suppose transwoman/ transman would give a clue whether the sex question had been answered factually or nor. But I understand there are other "genders" - would a "non binary" person recording their sex as female need cervical screening or not? What about pan gender or allogender or xenoflux or all the others?! And why should they have to constrain themselves into the (not voluntary) binary sex question if it's actually about what sex you feel rather than what sex you are (or were registered at birth if you prefer...), which is simple and non controversial, even if you don't happen to agree with it.

Maybe I could identify as someone who has filled in the census (for legal reasons) without actually filling it in in practice? For all the sense it will make when they gather together and analyse the data.

You'd select non binary, no?

Everyone in the world is non binary without exception, Starry. The term is fairly meaningless.

You'd select non binary, no?

There isn't the option to select that, though. You have to select "yes, I consider myself to be trans" (I don't) and then write in that non binary is how I describe my trans status. But equally I can't select "no, I don't consider myself to be trans" because they have defined trans (and by definition non trans) in a way that just makes no sense to me... Like saying "my chakra and my sex are the same" or "my chakra and my sex are not the same". I just don't know what a chakra is, how I know if I've got one, or if they are aligned or whatever. I accept some people are very in tune with their chakras (chakrae?) and feel they are important... but to me, it just doesn't chime.

I am actually very binary. I am 100% female because I am biologically female. I am 100% not male, for the same reason! But that is the case whatever I am doing or whatever I am wearing or however I am feeling. I suppose if anything on the trans spectrum I would be "agender" but that implies that I believe everyone normally has a gender, but I don't (cos I'm special). I'm prepared to go as far as saying that I accept some people believe they have a gender, but wouldn't want to say that is "normal" (as in most people think that).

Though if everyone is non binary, maybe we are all oppressed and victimised minorities and need all the extra help and support and positive discrimination we can get

Your sex is not something that’s a matter of opinion so this is all pish

@ResilienceWanker

You'd select non binary, no?

There isn't the option to select that, though. You have to select "yes, I consider myself to be trans" (I don't) and then write in that non binary is how I describe my trans status. But equally I can't select "no, I don't consider myself to be trans" because they have defined trans (and by definition non trans) in a way that just makes no sense to me... Like saying "my chakra and my sex are the same" or "my chakra and my sex are not the same". I just don't know what a chakra is, how I know if I've got one, or if they are aligned or whatever. I accept some people are very in tune with their chakras (chakrae?) and feel they are important... but to me, it just doesn't chime.

I am actually very binary. I am 100% female because I am biologically female. I am 100% not male, for the same reason! But that is the case whatever I am doing or whatever I am wearing or however I am feeling. I suppose if anything on the trans spectrum I would be "agender" but that implies that I believe everyone normally has a gender, but I don't (cos I'm special). I'm prepared to go as far as saying that I accept some people believe they have a gender, but wouldn't want to say that is "normal" (as in most people think that).

Though if everyone is non binary, maybe we are all oppressed and victimised minorities and need all the extra help and support and positive discrimination we can get

I really don't understand what you're saying, sorry! I'm going to bow out here.

Basically

You can't answer the question are you transgender unless you first understand what your "gender" is

Most people will say not transgender because of stereotypes about what transgender is ( psychiatrist diagnosed , sexual organs removed ) or an assumption that sex is gender ( stereotypes of man and woman if you like)

@mudgetastic

Basically

You can't answer the question are you transgender unless you first understand what your "gender" is

Most people will say not transgender because of stereotypes about what transgender is ( psychiatrist diagnosed , sexual organs removed ) or an assumption that sex is gender ( stereotypes of man and woman if you like)

Yes, precisely this. If they'd left the question "do you identify as trans" it would be fine...people who did would say yes, and people who didn't would say no. But they added the extra bit about gender, which only people who understand the whole issue will grasp in the first place, who would have been perfectly fine with the initial question anyway. And it's not clear which version of trans takes precedence now they have effectively given 2 definitions (1, if you identify as trans, and 2, if your gender and sex are not the same). Personally I don't identify as 1, but my gender and sex aren't the same because my sex exists and my gender doesn't. So, huh?!

It's like asking if you are Scottish and then saying something like "Scottish is if your mother's and father's tartans complement each other"... Taking a simple question and making it so constrained, irrelevant and subjective as to make any answer meaningless and likely meaning the only way many people can not lie in one way or another is to leave it out!