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Male & Female no longer have any meaning in Scotland

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Rodedooda · 24/02/2022 11:26

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My husband and son are going to declare themselves female.

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Charley50 · 24/02/2022 20:13

I looked on BBC website for this today, but couldn't find it in UK news.

GibbonsGoatsGibbons · 24/02/2022 21:11

What no one can ever explain to me is why sex can be a feeling but age, nationality etc aren't?
Absolutely idiots running the country. How can anyone use U.K. data now the Scottish data is being collected on a different basis than the English data. What a pointless expensive exercise a census is when it's full of feelings instead of facts.

I'm so angry. Is this so when they force through self ID it won't make a difference in the next census?!

Sorry for the rant. I could not be more angry or more sick of this disgusting government.

Palladin · 24/02/2022 21:21

I'm so sick of the stupidity of the Scottish government.Things are rapidly going downhill. We are also starting to plan our departure.

annabelindajane · 25/02/2022 11:46

Suspect there’s going to be a lot of odd answers on the census and SG will only have themselves to blame . Totally agree with a box for sex at birth and another for those that feel differently from sex at birth which might help with more psychological support being available as a lot of this seems to stem from abuse, depression etc etc

fghjk · 26/02/2022 05:13

I've been thinking about moving for a few years now but it's starting to feel like... what am I waiting for?

I'm sick of everything being some kind of virtual signal about how we're more inclusive, more caring, more welcoming, more accepting, more delusional than everywhere else. I keep waiting for people to wake up but... maybe I'm just always going to be the minority? Maybe I need to accept that and go somewhere I'm not the minority?

They keep winning. Whether it's the promise of independence or the fact they've bribed almost every demographic with free shit, they keep winning.

We're living in a country where your sex is whatever you feel like on any given day. Where my seven year old, who hasn't yet learned how to read, has just come home from school telling me she's learned about surgery and how she can get it when she's older if she wants to be a boy.

Like you'd just pop along to the shops if you fancy buying a blue coat. Chopping off your genitals or stitching on new ones is apparently that simple. Seven fucking years old.

As if they're not already messed up enough from the utter hell they've been dragged through over the last two years.

This is the same school who've already cancelled the P7 disco for their own "health and wellbeing"... Can't go to a disco with friends you've spent all week with incase you catch a cold, but here's how you can fuck up your body via needless surgery (and why you should want to!) Confused.

I want to get out! If you'd told me I'd be saying this 10 years ago I'd have genuinely laughed in your face.

Natashakatebythegate · 26/02/2022 06:08

We moved to England a year ago after living our whole lives in Scotland and this was a factor in our decision. Utterly sick of what is happening to woman in Scotland and the misogyny of the SNP. Not somewhere we wanted our daughters to grow up.

Thank god for the amazing women up there who are challenging this.

OneSwallow · 26/02/2022 07:15

We are also planning to move.

StarryEyeSurprise · 26/02/2022 08:13

@annabelindajane

Suspect there’s going to be a lot of odd answers on the census and SG will only have themselves to blame . Totally agree with a box for sex at birth and another for those that feel differently from sex at birth which might help with more psychological support being available as a lot of this seems to stem from abuse, depression etc etc
Is that not the case? I looked at a report on the census and it said there will be a make / female box and also what do you identify as or something like that and some questions for trans people. I can't copy links but it can be found fairly easily.
JakeyRolling · 26/02/2022 08:33

But if you can fill male/female box based on how you feel then it renders the second box useless.

Those who fill out the first based on fact will be male-female (for example) so obviously trans.

Those that go female-female may be trans, may not be.

StarryEyeSurprise · 26/02/2022 08:54

But you're not going to fill out the trans box unless you're trans.

StarryEyeSurprise · 26/02/2022 08:57

So boxes ask in what way do you identify as trans. If you're not trans these will obviously be missed out.

FrancescaContini · 26/02/2022 08:58

@CorrBlimeyGG

Why would your son and husband declare themselves female if they are not (I'm assuming they are not trans)? What a very stupid thing to do.

Or more likely, you're trying to make a big fuss about nothing.

Big fuss about nothing?? Are you serious?
Y0uCann0tBeSer10us · 26/02/2022 09:55

@JakeyRolling

But if you can fill male/female box based on how you feel then it renders the second box useless. Those who fill out the first based on fact will be male-female (for example) so obviously trans. Those that go female-female may be trans, may not be.
This is how I interpret the situation. I'm guessing that most people will just fill out all the questions, firstly because why wouldn't you, and secondly there is certainly the impression that you're legally obliged to do so. If the sex and gender questions (and my impression was that it was 'gender' rather than trans status) are answered factually you can clearly see how many people are trans (and so might need support) or natal women who might need maternity care or female health services. If people can answer based on feelings rather than fact numbers in each group are wrong, and so provisions can't be planned as well.
Y0uCann0tBeSer10us · 26/02/2022 10:06

To be fair to @StarryEyeSurprise it seems the second question will be about trans status, but if the 'sex' question can be answered based on how you feel, this still makes the two questions meaningless. A transperson will probably tick the trans box, but can choose whether to enter male or female. People born male can choose whether to enter male or female, as can people born female. There is therefore no way to know if they are a transwoman or a transman, and therefore what kind of healthcare provision is needed.

AnneKipankitoo · 26/02/2022 10:12

I think you can request a paper one and then outline your written response. I have not RTFT , so if anyone has mentioned it before , apologies.
I’ll see if I can find a link .

AnneKipankitoo · 26/02/2022 10:17

I don’t know how to link it but if you look at For Women Scotland, Fair Play For Women , I am sure you will find it.

DomesticatedZombie · 26/02/2022 10:23

Where my seven year old, who hasn't yet learned how to read, has just come home from school telling me she's learned about surgery and how she can get it when she's older if she wants to be a boy

I would be making a complaint about this; no RSHP teaching in school should be saying this or anything approaching this. You can check the resources on the website:

rshp.scot/first-level/

JakeyRolling · 26/02/2022 10:38

@StarryEyeSurprise

But you're not going to fill out the trans box unless you're trans.
I think it asks how you identify, not if you are trans as such. So females who buy into the "cis" nonsense will "identify" as female (for both)
StarryEyeSurprise · 26/02/2022 10:52

But it also asks questions about how you identify as trans - dressing, surgery etc. There's a report on it that details the questions.
Sorry, I don't understand the second point in your comment.

OneSwallow · 26/02/2022 12:09

It’s possible to have a lot of fun deciding to be different sexes on different forms. I might just do that. I might be a man in the morning and a woman in the afternoon. That will confound them.
We could phone the doctor every week deciding to be a male one week and a female the next.
Apply to be Masons perhaps ? The possibility for fun is endless.
Perhaps that’s the only way to deal with it.

Waitwhat23 · 26/02/2022 15:38

This report? It's certainly an interesting read, particularly from Appendix C onwards

www.scotlandscensus.gov.uk/media/rguhe4ol/sex_and_gender_identity_topic_report.pdf

ChocolateDeficitDisorder · 26/02/2022 15:50

It's good that people are choosing to move away from Scotland as it makes space for the many in England who are choosing to move here for our people-friendly policies. I know of many who are doing just that.

Balance is good.

WouldBeGood · 26/02/2022 15:57

“People friendly policies”? Sounds like the sort of meaningless stuff churned out by SNP college.

I’m interested in protecting the safety and rights of women.

Waitwhat23 · 26/02/2022 16:00

It certainly must seem like a wonderful utopia for those who despise women. Anyone with the view that women need sex based policies and laws (as per the Equality Act) can be harassed by the Police! Ribbons and stickers are outlawed! Roll up, roll up incels!

ChocolateDeficitDisorder · 26/02/2022 16:02

I'm not going going to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Male & Female no longer have any meaning in Scotland