Guilt Free Railing 18

[WouldBeGood]

Will it ever end?

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That's funny, and I still can't believe how someone who's meant to be running a country could compromise fire safety like that.

Did a big school in Fife not get wiped out by fire a few years ago?
A primary in Lanarkshire definitely got wiped out about 7 years ago.

Fire spreads quickly, smoke goes even quicker, why you'd compromise the fire doors or even suggest that compromising them is a good idea is completely beyond me.

She must be in a pickle, fire smoke alarms vs covid - how do I keep people 'safe' 🤔
Is she thinking fire is less likely than covid?

I saw that @WhatWouldTheDoctorDo. The fire service here confirming that they weren't consulted about this and please don't start cutting up doors you fucking morons So having snippily dismissed the question as 'infantile', it turns out that the intellectual featherweights at the Scottish Government (who as we know prefer an evidence-free off-the-hoof approach that they call 'common sense') didn't even consider that doors serve an important purpose in the control of fire. It might seem surprising, as it was literally the first thing that occurred to thousands of people on hearing this plan a couple of days ago, but apparently not to the geniuses who 'lead' us. And the best part is, they are about to give themselves (through the complete absence of any meaningful checks and balances) the power to continue making policy in this way for ever! It's like living in some kind of dystopian novel.

Cutting the bottom off doors to reduce covid spread. Fuck me dead. That is the kind of half-baked solution my teuchter uncles would come up with to fix a bloody tractor not to deal with a public health crisis.

Proof on existing proof that this bunch of imbecilic local councillors can't be trusted to do anything better than legislate over dog dirt and how tall hedges should be. Complete lack of competence, imagination or ability to plan strategically and holistically. What a fucking embarrassment.

NSs words of wisdom -

"If you have doors or windows that are not enabling that natural flow of air in the way you would want it to, it strikes me as basic common sense that you would take measures to rectify that."

By opening the door maybe?

She added: "We are not requiring local authorities to chop the bottom off every door in classrooms across the country."

So to extrapolate, you are "requiring" local authorities to chop the bottoms of some doors across the country?

That is the kind of half-baked solution my teuchter uncles would come up with to fix a bloody tractor not to deal with a public health crisis.

That made me giggle more than I should have

I saw that @Coquohvan 😂

Fire in a high school at Peebles a few years back I think?

I saw something today about only 0.5% of teachers who report LFTs getting a positive result (and surely not everyone who takes one reports them?) according to public health Scotland. Also, same study says high school pupils no more likely to test positive than the general public. 1% of 173 hospital admissions 'with covid' were of high school age and length of stay for children because of covid is 2 days. Hopefully this will help with the next masks in school review... they might think it will take the heat out of the ongoing ridicule about the doors...

I've never taken LFTs and when a colleague asked her class of 32 how many were testing, 2 hands went up.
Says it all really- most people are fed up of all this.

Maybe she's not had man power to consider how doors work?

www.heraldscotland.com/politics/19879846.snp-government-paying-700k-a--year-civil-servants-team-update-independence-prospectus/

Well, you can get a pack of 3 doorstops on Amazon for just over a fiver, I'm sure the buying power of needing 2000 might bring the price down. Getting 2000 would cost about £3k. Saving £297k from the current budget.

You'd think even the half baked SNP accountants could have worked that one out?

Door stops aren't allowed in schools so I have no idea why they ever thought cutting the doors up would be allowed either 🤷🏻‍♀️

We have wedges to keep school doors open otherwise they'd shut by themselves. Far more sensible thsn chipping bits off doors.
I've heard some stupid suggestions over the years but this takes the biscuit

We have them too but we are told to hide them when the fire people are in doing their inspections 🤦🏻‍♀️

Name change here, but DCs school in Edinburgh had a huge fire 2 years ago tomorrow... I have no idea how effective any doors were, though the fire started in a wing that was being refurbished, and the windows at least had been taken out of some of the classes. DCs were in the school at the time, and something allowed time for them to get out of the school before it took hold. There were flames coming out of the roof when I went to collect them from the after school club (moved to a different building off the school!). We've just been told the rebuilt wing will be available from after the Easter hols. I don't know if those doors will be subjected to "resizing" but I bloody hope not! I think for us fire is a much greater concern than covid.

Yeah the doors are pretty important. When the fire alarm goes off it's somebody's job to shut them all to prevent the spread of fire I would assume. Stupid idea that I don't think will be implemented.

How can they get insurance for a building that doesn't meet the fire regulations. Do they not need to have inspections in schools the same as football Stadiums?

Honestly they won't be so stupid, but it the sort of suggestion that would have my DDad saying they open their mouth and let their belly rumble.

I'm not sure about schools/council buildings, but in a former company where i worked (which at the time was a nationalised industry), none of the large amount of buildings were insured for fire and some other things, as the cost was so high that it was cheaper to take the risk. They obviously had 3rd party cover and other things that were legally required.

A lot of schools are PPP now so probably have a different thing going on than council owned buildings

While they might not insure the actual buildings Surely they still need public liability insurance?

I really wouldn't like to stand up in court and argue that cutting doors didn't affect the ability for smoke to spread through a school killing some poor sod.

oh yeah, they'd definitely need that. They'd have to hope that the fire destroyed the evidence of tampered doors but fire investigation is really so good nowadays I'm sure they would get found out.

Apart from all that, fire is still a greater risk to young people than covid.

I don't think it will get to the stage of fire investigations lol. I think once it's pointed out how stupid (and probably illegal) it is they'll abandon it.

Hmmm. The door chopping scheme might give an insight into the SNP's solution to the problem of the border between Scotland and England that would be required in the event of Scotland voting for separation from rUk in a legal referendum and being readmitted to the EU: a wee gap in the border just wide enough to let lorries through for frictionless trade with England but small enough to still allow our sovereignty to be fully protected?

Sorry to hear about yet more imprisonment as a result of the covid rules @mapleleavesreturn @IsurviveonCoffeeandWinein2021

Yes Peebles High had a fire November 2019. It was arson and spread really quickly.
Thankfully no one was hurt. Friends kids were at the school.

The whole community but especially the kids of all ages have had loss of school, activities, exams etc since then right though to now when you add in covid.
All the halls in the town were taken over for school use so any gym, music, art classes etc were cancelled so it affected everyone

Anyone else want to move to Denmark?

www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/02/denmark-covid-restrictions/621482/