Heading into winTier ..... the one we hoped it would be over before...

[dancemom]

New thread Tierers ...

Can't be because 1 health board hasn't reported as they've just used figs from day before.
I wondered if huge drop in ICU had anything to do with the 30 deaths

Yes, I did wonder that. Though that drop in ICU would be unprecedented, and we have had death numbers as high or higher in the past month that haven't led to such a drop. So last Friday (according to travelling tabby) there were 41 deaths, which corresponded to a drop of 8 in ICU, for example.

I reckon its just a mistake, and they've reported the number in ICU for more than 28 days or something like that, rather than the total number.

@patritus

Can't be because 1 health board hasn't reported as they've just used figs from day before. I wondered if huge drop in ICU had anything to do with the 30 deaths

Highly unlikely.

• 6,329 new cases of COVID-19 reported. Please note that as of 13 January 2022, this figure includes cases identified using either a first LFD (lateral flow device) or PCR (polymerase chain reaction) positive test
• 4 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive (noting that Register Offices are now generally closed at weekends)
• 41 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19*
• 1,441 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19*
• 4,405,821 people have received the first dose of the Covid vaccination, 4,105,220 have received their second dose, and 3,252,819 have received a third dose or booster
Note: NHS Greater Glasgow and Clyde did not submit data in time for this update; figures from Friday have been carried forward for this Board.
Please note that on Saturday 22 January we incorrectly reported that there were 16 patients in ICU with recently confirmed COVID-19 – we should have reported that there were 42 patients in ICU with recently confirmed COVID-19, and we apologise for this error

You're welcome guys, I'll update as long as there is demand for it

Thank you dancemom I like to look at your posts to compare numbers from day to day, especially the hospital numbers. It's encouraging to see that they're going in the right direction.

Thanks @dancemom

Regular name changer here still checking in with you most afternoons to get the up to date numbers. Very easy to get comparison then back through the weeks

I don't ever comment but do check the numbers every day, thank you for posting them

Me too 😊. It’s good to see the hospital numbers starting to go down as well now

• 6,934 new cases of COVID-19 reported. Please note that this figure now includes cases identified using either a first LFD (Lateral Flow Device) or PCR (Polymerase Chain Reaction) positive test
• 0 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive (noting that Register Offices are now generally closed at weekends)
• 38 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
• 1,435 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
• 4,406,439 people have received their first dose of a COVID-19 vaccination, 4,108,252 have received their second dose, and 3,258,073 have received a third dose or booster

• Public Health Scotland note that the cumulative death total is one fewer than the day before, they are investigating if this is a denotification

• 8,022 new cases of COVID-19 reported. Please note that this figure now includes cases identified using either a first LFD (Lateral Flow Device) or PCR (Polymerase Chain Reaction) positive test
• 23 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive
• 34 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
• 1,392 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
• 4,406,999 people have received their first dose of a COVID-19 vaccination, 4,112,264 have received their second dose, and 3,263,981 have received a third dose or booster

The number of cases seems to have plateaued? But hospital numbers are going in the right direction.

• 8,516 new cases of COVID-19 reported. Please note that this figure now includes cases identified using either a first LFD (Lateral Flow Device) or PCR (Polymerase Chain Reaction) positive test
• 33 new reported deaths of people who have tested positive
• 32 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
• 1,389 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
• 4,407,738 people have received their first dose of a COVID-19 vaccination, 4,115,341 have received their second dose, and 3,269,583 have received a third dose or booster

@mibbelucieachwell

The number of cases seems to have plateaued? But hospital numbers are going in the right direction.

Lot's of children testing positive around here (including DS), so this might be inflating the 'case' numbers. But since they're extremely low risk it doesn't translate into hospitalisations - DS was fully recovered in about 24 hours and that seems fairly typical for his age group.

That sounds very plausible @Y0uCann0tBeSer10us

Hospital numbers creeping down again today.

Thanks dancemom!

https://apple.news/AHAJ2cc_hS3m-fkPOpDFpcQ

Latest PHS report states 64%?in hospital because of covid, 36% in with covid.
Sorry, know we're not supposed to mention this

Thanks patritus... Just lost half an hour to that PHS report .

The because of/with thing (which I'm NOT discussing) is rather back of the envelope when looking at the methodology, but is still interesting. I'm most worried though that it seems hospitals put people with confirmed covid on non-covid wards . I thought the whole point of testing on admission was that incidental covid inpatients would be put in covid wards (not necessarily with people receiving treatment for covid, but a designated space where everyone had covid already so they weren't mixing covid and non covid patients). It may be that I'm misunderstanding, and that IS what happens, but that isn't called a covid ward. Otherwise, I'm surprised there isn't more hospital acquired covid - which is also covered elsewhere in that report!! (though they stop counting you once you're discharged so anyone getting covid 3 days after being discharged wouldn't count as hospital acquired in terms of their methodology as far as I can make out... Conveniently).

So basically everyone in a covid ward is being counted as being treated "because of" covid (or if their treatment matches covid treatment even if they aren't on a covid ward ), and everyone with covid in a non covid ward is being treated "with" covid. It's a bit more complicated than that, but that seems to be the main distinguishing feature.

The mixing of wards is indeed alarming @ResilienceWanker

It sounds very complicated system.
You'd think a better measure would be people in hospital currently being treated for covid 19.
Then it wouldn't matter where they contracted it (although I think hospitals still gather data on hospital acquired infections) but they are ill enough with covid to need hospital treatment.

The public use these figures to gauge how dangerous this disease is currently. They're not really interested in whether someone taken to hospital with a broken leg incidentally has covid too. Although obviously that puts strain on nhs due in o the infection, but joe public isn't really interested in that

Yes, exactly! I'd have assumed all inpatients would effectively have a box (or a series of boxes) that could be ticked at the time of their treatment - "Covid pos or not" , and "treatment due to covid symptoms, or not, or undetermined". But it sounds that they basically had to go back through all records over a few months, and get a doctor to assign where each patient stood, according to their ward, symptoms and treatment given. Only 4 boards had the resources to do that, and each board did it separately, with in some cases only one clinician looking over the data, without review/ crosscheck etc. It just sounds so much more complicated, and with less rigour, than it maybe should be!

I appreciate it's not always going to be clearcut. It may be someone had covid a while ago so isn't showing positive (and may not have even noticed at the time), but their treatment could well be purely as a result of the covid. Similarly, someone could have covid and also a respiratory infection, or heart issue or something unrelated to the Covid but assumed to be linked just because of the timing and nature of the symptoms. One of the boards in the PHS study had a load of people from a care facility which had had a covid outbreak (seemingly) so they were all recorded as being treated "because of" covid, which meant in that board 77% of inpatients were in that category, even though they were just taken in for observation. 2 of the other boards were much closer to 50% because of/ 50% with.

But overall, the individual uncertainties aren't that relevant. As you say, people are really concerned about 1) how many people who get covid need to be hospitalised because of it. And also, 2)whether that number is going to affect services so much that other things are made less efficient (a and e times, elective surgery, cancer screening and treatment...). Obviously, 1) is now "not that many" (technical and useful term ) and not 100% of the currently declining hospital numbers, but 2) is more complicated, and not totally linked to the prevalence of the disease, but rather the measures in place to limit that disease...

• 8,275 new cases of COVID-19 reported. Please note that this figure now includes cases identified using either a first LFD (Lateral Flow Device) or PCR (Polymerase Chain Reaction) positive test
• 20 new reported deaths of people who have tested positive
• 30 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
• 1,319 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
• 4,408,534 people have received their first dose of a COVID-19 vaccination, 4,117,631 have received their second dose, and 3,274,918 have received a third dose or booster

• 7,258 new cases of COVID-19 reported. Please note that this figure now includes cases identified using either a first LFD (Lateral Flow Device) or PCR (Polymerase Chain Reaction) positive test
• 16 new reported deaths of people who have tested positive
• 32 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
• 1,302 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
• 4,409,367 people have received their first dose of a COVID-19 vaccination, 4,119,889 have received their second dose, and 3,279,961 have received a third dose or booster

• 6,679 new cases of COVID-19 reported. Please note that this figure now includes cases identified using either a first LFD (Lateral Flow Device) or PCR (Polymerase Chain Reaction) positive test
• 18 new reported deaths of people who have tested positive
• 35 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
• 1,291 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
• 4,410,290 people have received their first dose of a COVID-19 vaccination, 4,122,152 have received their second dose, and 3,286,355 have received a third dose or booster

• 6,185 new cases of COVID-19 reported. Please note that as of 13 January 2022, this figure includes cases identified using either a first LFD (lateral flow device) or PCR (polymerase chain reaction) positive test
• 2 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive (noting that Register Offices are now generally closed at weekends).
• 32 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
• 1,217 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
• 4,410,990 people have received the first dose of the Covid vaccination, 4,124,546 have received their second dose, and 3,290,965 have received a third dose or booster

Encouraging hospital numbers again