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Heading into winTier ..... the one we hoped it would be over before...

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dancemom · 04/11/2021 10:58

New thread Tierers ...

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Scottishskifun · 13/01/2022 10:29

Yes sorry I didn't word it very well if symptoms then PCR needed if just a positive LFT and no symptoms then doesn't need confirming

ResilienceWanker · 13/01/2022 11:28

Exactly. They've never advised taking an LFT and following it up with a PCR if you have symptoms... That's always been an automatic PCR (along with certain close contacts who needed a PCR too, though I think that may have been dropped now too?). The retesting was only "asymptomatic" positives. Who now don't need to do that, but DO need to register their LFT and follow up with test and protect.

But of course you can feel really grim with an asymptomatic infection... headache, sore throat, snuffly nose etc. Just not fever/ cough/ change to taste or smell. And given those big 3 seem less common with omicron, the distinction seems a bit weird to me... So fewer people will actually qualify for a PCR based on having symptoms (big 3) but prevalence of the disease the PCR tests for is actually increasing! You kind of wonder what the point is any more Wink

At some point they said the change in rules was just while cases were so high in the community, implying that they'd go back to needing a PCR to identify/ confirm infection. Though the general thinking now seems to be stopping "community" testing altogether, and just focusing on high risk settings (health care, care homes, prisons, food packing etc) supplemented by surveillance testing (like the ONS and what they do with flu all the time) to get an idea of overall infection. So they may just quietly drop the intention to revert to PCRs!

Overall, I think that's a good plan. The social pressure to test for a disease that isn't causing you anything more than a few sniffles, if that, that if you do have means you have to isolate, missing things that you would otherwise be perfectly willing and happy to do or go to work/ school , in order to prevent someone else possibly becoming very ill (though largely treatably ill), just seems a bit back to front now. Just test where that risk is greatest, and let everyone else get on with it. But then I am, and always have been, a selfish granny killer.

mibbelucieachwell · 13/01/2022 12:32

Thanks @ResilienceWanker . I hadn't spotted the temporary aspect of the new testing guidance. I expect it'll be for 3 weeks GrinGrinGrinGrin

All power the grannykillers I say, those thoughtful types who remember that grannies die from all manner of things other than covid. Mibbe I'll change my name to grannykiller 😀

ResilienceWanker · 13/01/2022 13:08

Grin grannykillertheunrepentant

And yes, just another 3 weeks. Or maybe "up to six weeks, but dropped as soon as possible" like the masks in schools were.

dancemom · 13/01/2022 15:38

• 8,203 new cases of COVID-19 reported*. Please note that as of 13 January 2022, this figure includes cases identified using either a first LFD (lateral flow device) or PCR (polymerase chain reaction) positive test
• 26 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive
• 58 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
• 1,560 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
• 4,395,793 people have received their first dose of a COVID-19 vaccination, 4,057,606 have received their second dose, and 3,159,109 have received a third dose or booster

  • Whilst improving, there continues to be large volumes of tests being processed by labs; this has impacted turnaround times resulting in delays between specimen’s beings taken and results being received and reported. PHS are continuing to monitor the situation.
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mibbelucieachwell · 13/01/2022 15:50

Travelling tabby has the number of PCR tests today only. 5186 PCR so 3,017 positive LFs. The figures go back a week according to tabby, so that would be 270ish LFs per day over the last week if I'm understanding him correctly.
Or, 3,017 positive LFs in the most recent 24 hr reporting period?

ResilienceWanker · 13/01/2022 16:15

It's not that clear is it?! I think it's 3k in the last 24hr. The SG dashboard shows how the PCR/LFT split has changed over the past week or so, and now there are indeed quite a few LFTs not with a confirmatory pcr. I can't get the full graph on my tablet, but the attached should show it a bit. So the reported numbers so far have just been the purple and yellow segments, whereas from today it will include the blue. So yesterday when there were 7k cases reported, it was actually more like 11k ish, whereas earlier in the week there was less difference, as the blue segment was proportionally less of the total number. I think! Not sure if there's going to be any backwards counting going on to add in the missed cases up until today?!

The good news is that the numbers do still seem to be going in the right direction.

Heading into winTier ..... the one we hoped it would be over before...
Heading into winTier ..... the one we hoped it would be over before...
BlameItOnTheBlackStar · 13/01/2022 16:24

I've lost the plot with the different tests and why and when and who is allowed out and when and fucking god knows what.

I'm basically looking at the number of positives in my town, which I think is either the same or slightly down on last week, and the rate of hospitalisations, which hasn't gone up much (only 23 in the last 24 hours).

dancemom · 14/01/2022 14:04

• 9,910 new cases of COVID-19 reported*. Please note that this figure now includes cases identified using either a first LFD (lateral flow device) or PCR (polymerase chain reaction) positive test
• 41 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive
• 50 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
• 1,544 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
• 4,396,802 people have received their first dose of a COVID-19 vaccination, 4,060,859 have received their second dose, and 3,171,289 have received a third dose or booster

  • Whilst improving, there continues to be large volumes of tests being processed by labs; this has impacted turnaround times resulting in delays between specimen’s beings taken and results being received and reported. PHS are continuing to monitor the situation.
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ecceromani · 14/01/2022 14:25

Thanks @dancemom
The in hospital with covid numbers are high but the good news is there's only 16 more people in ICU since Christmas

mibbelucieachwell · 15/01/2022 14:11

Hospital numbers very slightly down today.

Encouraging.

dancemom · 15/01/2022 14:11

• 7,833 new cases of COVID-19 reported. Please note that as of 13 January 2022, this figure includes cases identified using either a first LFD (lateral flow device) or PCR (polymerase chain reaction) positive test
â—¦ 4,469 of these cases were identified through a PCR positive test (through either a PCR test alone, or through a PCR test following a LFD test)
• 21 new reported deaths of people who have tested positive
• 46 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
• 1,540 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
• 4,397,912 people have received their first dose of a COVID-19 vaccination, 4,064,533 have received their second dose, and 3,184,700 have received a third dose or booster

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IKeptYouLikeAnOath · 15/01/2022 15:42

Hospital numbers going in the right direction.

Scottishskifun · 15/01/2022 17:13

Yep and if the Grampian and Glasgow small studies are anything to go by for the rest of Scotland then hospital numbers because of covid are under 1000 - 60/40 split of because of and with.

dancemom · 16/01/2022 14:30

Due to IT issues this morning, Public Health Scotland are unable to provide today’s COVID-19 cases, deaths and vaccination data. This issue is under investigation.

1,562 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19, which is 6 more than the day before.

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dancemom · 17/01/2022 15:11

• 6,221 new cases of COVID-19 reported*. Please note that this figure now includes cases identified using either a first LFD (Lateral Flow Device) or PCR (Polymerase Chain Reaction) positive test
• 0 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive (noting that Register Offices are now generally closed at weekends)
• 43** people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
• 1,557** people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
• 4,400,229 people have received their first dose of a COVID-19 vaccination, 4,087,517 have received their second dose, and 3,204,311 have received a third dose or booster

  • Please note that, from today, positive cases are reported against the first positive reporting date from PCR or LFD (previously assigned to PCR reporting date). ** One health board has not been able to submit data since Sunday 16/01/2022, their data has been rolled forwards from Saturday 15/01/2022.
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WouldBeGood · 17/01/2022 17:20

Thanks @dancemom 😊

dancemom · 18/01/2022 14:38

• 7,752 new cases of COVID-19 reported. Please note that this figure now includes cases identified using either a first LFD (Lateral Flow Device) or PCR (Polymerase Chain Reaction) positive test
• 31 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive
• 42 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
• 1,546 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
• 4,401,034 people have received their first dose of a COVID-19 vaccination, 4,090,242 have received their second

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ecceromani · 18/01/2022 17:21

ICU numbers back to where they were 2 weeks ago

dancemom · 19/01/2022 14:01

• 8,495 new cases of COVID-19 reported. Please note that this figure now includes cases identified using either a first LFD (Lateral Flow Device) or PCR (Polymerase Chain Reaction) positive test
• 29 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive
• 44 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
• 1,571 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
• 4,401,876 people have received their first dose of a COVID-19 vaccination, 4,092,558 have received their second dose, and 3,223,113 have received a third dose or booster

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dancemom · 20/01/2022 14:37

• 8,262 new cases of COVID-19 reported. Please note that this figure now includes cases identified using either a first LFD (Lateral Flow Device) or PCR (Polymerase Chain Reaction) positive test
• 27 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive
• 43 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
• 1,514 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
• 4,402,666 people have received their first dose of a COVID-19 vaccination, 4,094,680 have received their second dose, and 3,230,767 have received a third dose or booster

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dancemom · 21/01/2022 14:04

• 7,162 new cases of COVID-19 reported. Please note that this figure now includes cases identified using either a first LFD (Lateral Flow Device) or PCR (Polymerase Chain Reaction) positive test
• 16 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive
• 43 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
• 1,511 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
• 4,404,268 people have received their first dose of a COVID-19 vaccination, 4,099,222 have received their second dose, and 3,238,127 have received a third dose or booster

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dancemom · 22/01/2022 15:48

• 6,768 new cases of COVID-19 reported. Please note that as of 13 January 2022, this figure includes cases identified using either a first LFD (lateral flow device) or PCR (polymerase chain reaction) positive test
• 30 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive.
• 16 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19*
• 1,458 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19*
• 4,405,059 people have received the first dose of the Covid vaccination, 4,102,038 have received their second dose, and 3,245,885 have received a third dose or booster

  • Note: One health board did not submit data in time for this update; figures from Friday were carried forward for this Board.
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Aurea · 22/01/2022 16:38

Thanks dancemum

You're doing a grand job at keeping us informed. Smile

ResilienceWanker · 22/01/2022 17:24

Yes, thanks dancemom!

That's a huge drop in ICU patients (43 to 16 overnight!). Can that number be just due to the one health board not reporting?! Or (probably) an error in reporting?

I've kind of lost how Scotland fits within the UK numbers now. The UK dashboard is reporting about 76k cases today, but it says Scotland's numbers aren't included at the weekend - I'm sure they have been up to now. And when the numbers are included, it's pcr tests only, not lateral flows (same as Wales - but case numbers for England and NI include both) and numbers don't seem to tally with what SG is presenting as the PCR plus confirmatory PCR (albeit those are now pretty small