Guilt Free Railing 14

[WouldBeGood]

😱 I think we will need this thread.. could it be the last?!

My friend is part of test and protect and she has a basic list of 11 symptoms she goes through. Must be different based on health board.

Also, you're infectious in the 48 hours before symptoms show. Another reason why isolation of contacts is so important. I think they've been in such a rush to keep as many pupils as possible in school, they've overlooked how quickly it spreads amongst a class.

The measures put in place are all just theatre. That's what's bothered me for a long time.

Actual support for people who have tested positive. People with long covid. Actual contact tracing. None of that stuff happens with any degree of consistency

This just harms businesses and creates division. No idea what's coming today but hoping it's just a oh wear your mask while in your house because of big bad Westminster we can't do anything else 🤞

Looks like nothing changing with the restrictions for now.

Yeah that actually wasn't terrible today. Still the uncertainty for businesses with the passports and nothing about masks in school that I seen but not the worst update

Cabinet making a final decision on expanding vaccine passport system, or not, next Tuesday. Would come in early Dec if so, and likely include proof of negative tests as well as vaccines.

There was a slightly worrying line about how “living with covid does not mean giving up, it means making sensible changes which allow for a greater return to normality.” Hmmm.

Just another week of anxiety to have a fake debate and then push it through regardless because of the Greens.....
So basically vaccine passports are highly likely to come in by the 6th of December for cinemas, theatres and "some licenced venues and hospitality"

That’s terrible though: hospitality will be massively hit if they bring that in, or if it’s hanging over people- who’s going to book now if they’re not all double jagged, and too late to be so in time for the festivities.

One of my favourite restaurants announced its closure today and I’m feeling sad. Im sure it won’t be the last.

I don't think she will go ahead with them for smaller hospitality. I watched it on glasgow live and the comments where incredibly negative. She's nothing if not a career politician.

I know she will say I don't mind making the hard choices but too much negativity I think she will say no at the last minute. Could be wrong though.

@WouldBeGood

I saw this yesterday. Sums up the pre announcement feeling

I love that

Oh just seen you could also have a negative test. That will work better in practice I imagine either or.

Yep! For once Ross is actually asking the right questions asking list of hospitality sector and mass vaccination centre.

NS just went for a personal attack and refused to answer the questions.

The new strategic framework is published: www.gov.scot/binaries/content/documents/govscot/publications/strategy-plan/2021/11/coronavirus-covid-19-scotlands-strategic-framework-update-november-2021/documents/covid-19-scotlands-strategic-framework-update-november-2021/covid-19-scotlands-strategic-framework-update-november-2021/govscot%3Adocument/covid-19-scotlands-strategic-framework-update-november-2021.pdf

Sorry for long and strange URL!

Looks like this is the long-term plan?

After all the suffering, resilience and sacrifice of the COVID-19 crisis, we all want a more ‘normal’ way of life. As we recognise the challenges the coming winter will bring it is important to acknowledge the progress that has been made in our response to COVID- 19. The last two years have seen huge advances in vaccines and therapeutic developments. Based on current information and understanding, we believe that – while other scenarios are possible - there is a good likelihood that, in time, the pandemic will begin to enter a less acute phase in Scotland, when it will no longer be a public health emergency requiring bespoke legal measures. However, we do not expect the virus to disappear. Instead, we expect it to become an endemic pathogen and the additional activity associated with managing the disease to become something that the NHS has to plan for.

^When the COVID-19 pandemic in Scotland moves into this endemic, less acute phase, we expect that more routine public health measures may be sufficient to keep the virus under control in Scotland, though there would continue to be the risk of occasional surges, driven – for example - by seasonality (as we see with influenza), by waning immunity or by new variants and we would need to respond appropriately.
The future management of COVID-19 may potentially include periodic booster vaccinations, ongoing testing for surveillance, monitoring and diagnostic purposes, international travel measures (including those retained by other countries), improved ventilation in buildings, the continuation of enhanced hygiene measures, voluntary wearing of face-coverings when symptomatic, and staying off work when suffering from contagious illnesses.^

These measures and behaviours would have positive benefits beyond just tackling COVID-19, with the prospect of wider public health, societal and economic benefits for the long term. Most of these are already in place now, thanks to the efforts and understanding of so many. We are learning how important they are, and how to bring more normality back to our lives. We can look forward with increasing confidence to the removal of the few legal measures that currently remain necessary, while we complete and maintain the protection that good public health measures can give us.

It's interesting listening to it, NS is hugely on the attack with answers it's now labour's turn!
Usually in the past when she has done this it's because she's on the back foot.

I don't see how it is unreasonable to ask for clarity on what businesses will be effected.

Quite @Scottishskifun. And they’ve already been asked repeatedly by the businesses affected and failed to answer.

@GoldenOmber dare i hope that’s the first suggestions of getting rid of mandatory masks..?

@Tiredoftiers take it easy!
I think there is a perception with covid that you are asystomatic, have a mild cold or extremely serious hospital/cpapp etc.
When there is a middle point of those with the more moderate cases and it takes longer to recover from and also is not pleasant.
research has shown that women are also more prone to moderate cases and more at risk of long covid (the later does reduce in risk with vaccination).

Just don't push it or expect to magically be better at the 10 day point it can take many a good few weeks even when vaccinated.

I’ve always thought Covid sounds like any respiratory infection, which might come in varying levels of feeling crap, from wabbit to floored, with a minority very seriously unwell. Not pleasant.

It made me laugh @ssd 😃

@WouldBeGood

I’ve always thought Covid sounds like any respiratory infection, which might come in varying levels of feeling crap, from wabbit to floored, with a minority very seriously unwell. Not pleasant.

It's a weird one as seems to be person specific. My experience was definitely respiratory was the worst symptom but the leg and muscle pain was very different and the fatigue is very strange. For me it was more a hybrid of a severe respiratory illness (hence the steroids quickly) and glandular fever. But I've friends who's worse symptoms were gastro related and my husband who was far more ill with a nursery cold than he was with covid. It's just a bit random!

I had two weeks of on and off cough and spiking fevers, muscle aches in my legs, zero appetite and thumping headaches and this weird chest/upper back pain that felt like I was being clamped in a really tight corset. Then another couple of weeks of feeling like my lungs were burning every time I took a slightly deeper than normal breath, that was odd.

It wasn’t the worst illness I’ve ever had by a long way though (step forward hyperemesis for that prize!) and it’s not the sort of thing I’d be avoiding anything I usually do for fear of getting again.

So today's announcement, pre-announced last week, was that there will be another announcement next week? What's going on...? Why are they making everyone stay hanging for another week? Either vaccination and boosters are doing great, and there's no need for further restrictions. Or there is a need for further restrictions, to come in early December... So why not say what they are and who's going to be affected, so businesses (and punters) can plan for their introduction?

I just don't understand the delay and continued uncertainty. Have they honestly not yet reached a decision? What extra data are they going to have gathered by next week that's going to totally change their mind and convince them that actually, everything's fine, or alternatively, everything has become so severe that they have to bugger up a few more livelihoods? Surely this is just kicking the can a bit down the road, again, isn't it, while they work out exactly how their plans are going to work, because they've run out of time to do that this week.

They’re a useless bunch of tossers with no idea if the real world

Oh! I saw the ideal antidote: has anyone been to the Rage Rooms in Glasgow, where you can go to play loud music and smash stuff up?!