Dancing with tiers in my eyes, Weeping for the memory of a life gone by

[dancemom]

New thread, a very appropriate title I feel ...

Hmm I wonder which takes up more NHS hours, nurses' time etc: patient with a broken ankle or patient with a broken ankle and Covid?

It just means they test positive for Covid. Not that they are unwell

I think we're debating semantics here. The proportion of patients in hospital with covid instead of because of covid is tiny I think. I say I think as the SG don't seem to release this info and I'm just basing this on my personal view in the hospital I work in. Unfortunately the hospital numbers mostly reflect the really sick patients in hospital due to covid.
I'm just really pissed off we're back to where we were in the first and second waves. Why were changes not put into place to support hospitals and not let them be overwhelmed again? Have we learned nothing?
Work is a very stressful and depressing place to be right now.

The country is a very stressful and depressing place at the minute though. Everyone is under pressure in different ways.

It has to stop being a case of robbing Peter to pay Paul. It's time for the government to step up and earn their salary. It isn't the fault of the general public or the NHS staff. It's the fault of the far too well paid high up people that don't have a clue what it's like on the ground in any circumstances.

We are just the replaceable lackeys that keep the country turning whilst they keep their money, nice houses, good job and mental health.

I feel for everyone that's contributed to these threads. We have all been fucked over and struggled one way or another. Politics is nothing but a popularity contest at school that they never grew out of!

NHS England are made to break down the data.
Last time they published it 23% of hospital COVID cases were in for another reason (like a broken leg etc)
And yes I absolutely agree they have now had a year and half to plan for increasing capacity so hospitals can cope.
COVID isn't going away.
What has actually been planned other than cancelling all other nhs work🤷🏼‍♀️

@BlameItOnTheBlackStar

Just saw on the news that a £10 million fund is being spread across health boards to support Long Covid sufferers *@Scottishskifun*

Yes I saw got to wait and see what it translates into for my health authority. Its not masses when you consider the number of health boards though!

I'm still peeved about nobody in my GPs knowing to signpost me or anyone else to the chas scheme though because they weren't aware etc and now that ship has sailed!

@sartorius

NHS England are made to break down the data. Last time they published it 23% of hospital COVID cases were in for another reason (like a broken leg etc) And yes I absolutely agree they have now had a year and half to plan for increasing capacity so hospitals can cope. COVID isn't going away. What has actually been planned other than cancelling all other nhs work🤷🏼‍♀️

Absolutely. It makes me angry that we are back to this situation, when they have known for a year that a) autumn and winter would be full of viruses, including covid, and hospitals would struggle as they do every winter and b) there would be an exit wave/ spike/ whatever of covid when restrictions were relaxed (so maybe don't do it at the same time as schools go back and uni students start travelling around the UK, hey...). So why are they back in the groove of blaming us for meeting indoors and closing down NHS routine surgeries? That's not sustainable is it...? Call me Ms Forgetful, but I don't think that's what we were told when we had restrictions for much longer than anywhere else "oh, we're not going to do anything to increase NHS capacity. We're just going to hope covid goes away somehow. But look at us, aren't we coping well..."

@imstilljenny2

I think we're debating semantics here. The proportion of patients in hospital with covid instead of because of covid is tiny I think. I say I think as the SG don't seem to release this info and I'm just basing this on my personal view in the hospital I work in. Unfortunately the hospital numbers mostly reflect the really sick patients in hospital due to covid. I'm just really pissed off we're back to where we were in the first and second waves. Why were changes not put into place to support hospitals and not let them be overwhelmed again? Have we learned nothing? Work is a very stressful and depressing place to be right now.

It's the issue with kids too. Remember when Humza sparked panic saying a high number of kids were in hospital with covid? It's important to be honest and accurate.

They should be planning for a dedicated COVID ward and ICU beds in every health board.
Like they used to have the old TB hospitals and suchlike.
COVID isn't going to disappear in a hurry and we will end up with many more deaths then necessary if people can't get treatment for other conditions.
But it all needs planning ahead. How many more intensive care nurses have been trained over last year? We can't magic them up overnight.

Are there more people in hospital than usual?

And, if so, why?

Are they being admitted for Covid treatment? How long are they in for?

Are they admitted for something else?

Is that because lockdown has made illnesses more severe at the point of presentation to services?

Are they catching Covid in hospital?

• 6,815 new cases of COVID-19 reported
• 65,183 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results
◦ 11.1% of these were positive
• 22 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive
• 82 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
• 977 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
• 4,135,329 people have received the first dose of the Covid vaccination and 3,762,367 have received their second dose

Thanks @dancemom . That levelling down of the case numbers seems to have stalled rather .

The concern with case numbers stalling, rather than rapidly dropping as with previous peaks, is pressure on ICU beds. This last week, Covid ICU bed numbers have been approximately 50% of the January peak. Vaccines are working, but whether they work well enough and are enough people jagged to prevent ICUs being overwhelmed, is a question that will be answered in the next couple of weeks.

• 4,298 new cases of COVID-19 reported
• 42,529 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results
◦ 10.9% of these were positive
• 10 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive
• 83 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
• 985 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
• 4,137,710 people have received the first dose of the Covid vaccination and 3,769,320 have received their second dose

That’s down from 6,152 last Saturday, and lower positivity rates compared to then as well. Are they finally dropping? (Please, please…)

And hospital number hasn't gone up much so clearly a decent number are being discharged too.

🤞🤞🤞

cases will go up when students go back next week I'm sure

Yeah I'm just waiting for that too

I'm optimistic that the number of student Covid infections won't cause too much of a spike this time round: lots will have been vaccinated and some students will have immunity from prior infection.

• 5,912 new cases of COVID-19 reported
• 55,646 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results
◦ 11.5% of these were positive
• 0 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive (noting that Register Offices are now generally closed at weekends)
• 88 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
• 1,019 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
• 4,140,616 people have received the first dose of the Covid vaccination and 3,777,461 have received their second dose

63 cases in my fairly small town as of today. That's more than double the level it's ever been before. Absolutely crazy stuff.

Disappointing numbers today.

I'm still optimistic that numbers are going to go down soon though 🤞

@mibbelucieachwell but at least trending a bit downwards ( anything below 6000 is - I feel - downwards these days ).

Yep, slightly down on last Sunday although it does feel like a bit of a plateau rather than a downward trajectory. Still, it looks like it's stopped rising at least, even if it has settled at a level that is the highest in the UK by a distance 😬.