Dancing with tiers in my eyes, Weeping for the memory of a life gone by

[dancemom]

New thread, a very appropriate title I feel ...

🤞🤞🤞 @OhWhatsTheDifference

• 5,810 new cases of COVID-19 reported
• 57,128 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results
◦ 10.8% of these were positive
• 17 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive
• 82 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
• 883 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
• 4,130,841 people have received the first dose of the Covid vaccination and 3,749,767 have received their second dose

Good to see cases flattening a bit. Please let hospital numbers follow soon...

ohwhat'sthedifference best wishes for a speedy recovery free from you know what.

Encouraging numbers for a Wednesday dancemom.

Thanks @dancemom
How is your daughter today?

@sartorius lots better thanks, clearly just a summer cold

Oh good, that's a relief!

• 6,836 new cases of COVID-19 reported
• 67,701 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results
◦ 10.8% of these were positive
• 12 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive
• 87 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
• 928 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
• 4,133,606 people have received the first dose of the Covid vaccination and 3,757,337 have received their second dose

So much for the flattening.

It's exactly the same percentage positivity though, on the up side.

10,000 more tests, 1000 more cases, still 10.8% positivity.

And, as always, there’s no indication people are in hospital because they have Covid

Looking on SG public dashboard a massive percentage cases are in under 19s
Presumably why SG not panicking too much.
Unlikely to put strain on nhs

@WouldBeGood that may be but hospitals are straining under the sheer number of patients with covid. I work in a medium sized hospital and it's really, really dire. I would guesstimate that in our hospital 95% of patients are in hospital with covid and around 5% are found to have covid as an incidental finding.

Also, anyone coming in as an emergency might have Covid, but anyone scheduled to come in for scheduled surgery, for example, won't be able to come in if they test positive.

Any time hospital numbers are mentioned someone always points out that we don't know if it's because of Covid or with Covid, but I don't see the huge difference.

If cases are up in the community, they're up in hospitals, quibbling about what's behind that never makes sense to me. It seems like another way of saying 'cases don't matter' to me - but they do. It'll be 1000 people by the weekend. That matters. Excess deaths were up last week for the first time in six months. As an indicator, that matters.

Also if a patient is in hospital for a non covid reason and tests positive while they are in, they have to be moved to a side room. If they were in a 6 bedded room beforehand, this room has to be closed then deep cleaned. The other 5 patients have to be moved out too causing massive bed pressures. It doesn't matter if that patient who tested positive has symptoms or not, logistically it still causes huge problems for patient flow.

Because the people would be in hospital anyway regardless of their Covid status, if it’s not because of Covid.

I think a lot of the concern around the stats is because the SG has refused repeated requests to break them down even by the UK statistics authority.

SG then use those stats as back up to their argument for what they wish when they can be misleading such as quoting the number of children in hospital in a week with covid as argument not to travel to softplays and put children at risk...... Reality was none of the cases was because of covid.

So because there is a lack of transparency it creates mistrust and therefore people don't have a clear idea of what is actually happening. Nor what the turn around is so if a patient is in for 14 hours with covid but then discharged they still count in the stats.

All of it creates mistrust which when trying to get a public health message across is really counter productive!

I sort of get the transparency thing. But what material difference would it make if we knew? It would be a green light for the 'cases don't matter' people to dismiss restrictions, I would imagine is their concern.

I don't know what we would need the turnaround time of an admission for - we can see in the daily stats how many people are admitted in a day. Today it what something like 120-odd. If that's broadly the case every day for a while until the peak passes, we can't pretend that it doesn't have an impact.

But are they extra people?

Because there is a big difference between the stress caused on the NHS of the majority of those patients requiring a bed for 2 weeks compared to less than 24 hours. So again it comes down to transparency.

For many it's understanding what the risks are and if a govt is telling people their lives have to be restricted for the greater good than they need to be transparent with that data. Currently all that is happening is mistrust and its a bit like the boy that cries wolf. So actually when it really matters all trust will be gone and it will be completely ignored.

Do cases matter? I don't know it's a pretty horrible illness for some and life threatening for a small percentage especially if not vaccinated (myself included) but neither is it ever going to disappear now. That's the problem it is never going to be eradicated it mutates too quickly. But many illnesses including flu can be life threatening for some.

Mine wasn't life threatening should clarify but I was very unwell and hypoxic on several occasions which isn't a good thing.

Just saw on the news that a £10 million fund is being spread across health boards to support Long Covid sufferers @Scottishskifun

My relative wasn't in hospital because of Covid, she was in hospital with a broken hip, caught Covid there (and died). What you're "really" in hospital for isn't the only issue.

If you're in hospital for a broken ankle and get covid when you're in, you'd be in anyway, and will not contribute to the always impending overwhelming of the NHS.

If covid is not causing people to be hospitalised, then we don't have to panic about covid being a serious illness that will kill loads of people.

That was my point @Haudyourwheesht but better articulated 🤣